5 Reasons Why I Refuse To Join World Ventures

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You MUST have seen them before – those people on Facebook with pictures in which they are grinning widely and holding a “Wish You Were Here!” or “You Should Be Here!” banner.

Some may have even sent you private messages to ask if you like to travel, want to travel to exotic destinations at great prices, and/or make money while you travel (thereby getting free holidays). Others just write cryptic messages on their own Facebook walls about how they are flying off for free AGAIN or making lots more money while having fun (thus prompting you to ask them what exactly they are doing, ‘cos you’re now curious).

If the above sounds familiar to you, you’ll know I’m referring to World Ventures.

I have gotten too many private messages and emails from people (some friends, some strangers) who want to tell me about this awesome company called World Ventures. One even went so far as to tell me that if I didn’t sign on immediately, I’d regret it for life. [Erm... I'm still not feeling an ounce of regret, mister!]

Here are the 5 reasons why I have refused to join World Ventures despite being harassed multiple times:

#1: Too many invites – some are not even personal [like a copy-and-paste job]

The most recent Facebook message from a World Ventures dude

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I’m from Singapore too, dude! Which country do you think I’m from? :P

The questions also seem very scripted and if you look at them carefully, all three questions are likely to elicit YESes from most people. Very sneaky.

#2: I don’t fancy traveling with many other people.

The good news: yes, you may end up getting free holidays. The bad news: you’ll get many people joining you on your free holiday – somewhat like a company retreat. Bummer.

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I like solo holidays or holidays with just one pal or my fiance. The last thing I want is to travel with a bunch of people carrying blue banners.

#3: It is quite obviously another Pyramid scam scheme kind of company! :(

Don’t believe me. Just read the comments below.

#4: The holidays are NOT cheap – One young and very enthusiastic “rep” of World Ventures [the same one who said I'll be regretting] offered to show me how travel would be much more affordable once I joined WV. So I said ok, I’m planning a trip to the Maldives, how much would my holiday cost? He logged in to the WV site and found the figures for me and lo and behold, they were much steeper than what I’d found via my own research!

So no, holidays are NOT cheaper with WV. If anything, they are more expensive as you have to pay a joining fee to get into the whole WV programme.

Don’t ask me about the fees (I don’t have the details as I obviously did not join WV) but check out the comments below, to find the answer.

#5: The insiders have already revealed that the company is not what it seems to be. If you fall prey, you can only blame yourself for not doing simple research online first OR believing that friend of yours who just wants to make some money off YOU. I’ve read a couple of insider accounts online. But you can simply scroll through the comments on this blogpost for an idea. :)

If someone asks you to join WV again, send them this blogpost link k? If you just respond with a simple ‘no’, they will want to know why and also ask to meet up with you. I’ve done all the explaining for you right here. ;)

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Update: My response to all those horrible WV people who have sent me nasty emails or left horrid comments here.

And here’s one particular comment from a WV dude who hasn’t got his facts right: http://workingwithgrace.wordpress.com/2013/12/29/why-i-believe-some-world-ventures-members-are-wasting-their-time/

Another really long comment from a World Ventures member. (If your argument makes sense, really, one sentence will do. Send me chunks of fluff and I’ll tear it all apart for you!) – 5 More Reasons Why I Refuse To Join World Ventures

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    • I’ve read your take on the matter. Thanks. Still standing by what I’ve written. Just a personal choice made public so I don’t get more invites from friends and associates about WV. If you’re happy with WV, I’m happy for you. :)

    • You did not mention that one need to pay a monthly maintenance fees.It is not worth it considering that.

    • For the Worldventures Business Representative System & the Dreamtrips Life Package, you need to fork out US$360.91 as membership fee & a monthly subscription fee of US$60.97.

    • i’m a wv member, just signed up 2 days ago. To be perfectly honestly with you, i don’t care so much about making money from this company, I signed up as a membership for the sole purpose of traveling around the world.

      Just to play around with the numbers, I had just entered how much a trip would cost for a round-trip flight to Japan from New York and guess what? There are CHEAPER flights available in JFK airport than what World Ventures offers. As a member tho, there is something called the Rovia Price Pledge (im gonna copy and paste)- Find a better deal on air/car/hotel on the same calendar day somewhere else, and we’ll refund 150% of the difference! promise: Basically saying if you find a cheaper flight within the 24 hrs AFTER your already BOOKED your flight from WV, the company will refund you 150% of the expenses.

      Hmmm, not bad. i paid a little over $200 to become a member and almost got a $1300 plane ticket to Japan for free! But i will tell you this. I have no qualms over this company as of now, so long as they are true to their agreement (aka do not fuck over your employees), and honor their end of the bargain of providing the kind of service they promised as I signed my damn signature to this company.

      I am not here to presuade anyone nor advertise world ventures, i am merely sharing my current experience with them. But then again, don’t take me too seriously, I’ve only been a member for like 2 days. Lets see how it goes and if something does happen i will personally write a blog about it.

    • Hi Tae,

      That’s great IF you do get that 150% refund. Remember to tell your friends in WV too. So they can ALL claim that 150% refund for “a round-trip flight to Japan from New York”. [I'm wondering how WV can honor this promise ;)]

      IF you do get your 150%, please blog about it. That’d be something interesting to read. So far all the WV members who have commented here are just empty vessels making a lot of noise.

  1. One of the proverbs is: If something seems too good to be true, it nearly for sure is that way. I’m 22 minutes before a webinar of WV and I’m curious what they have to tell. It’s sure MLM. If I can’t earn money with it, I’ll not step in. Savings on holidays is not interesting for me, because I don’t like luxury holidays with many people. And my familiy doesn’t either.

    • That’s true, Hans! Just don’t bother arguing with any of the WV people – those who have already bought into the idea are fanatical about it. I learnt this the hard way. Haha.

    • I have beena member for a month..and I am planning a group family and friends trip for may 50 people to Jamaica next year..I am only interested in traveling and seeing theworld and sharing new adventures with my family @ discounted prices…is this a good program for that..

  2. 1. You don’t have to travel with a group, you can do your own thing leave the hotel etc…you are not bound to hang out with anyone you do not want to!

    2. The fee goes right to your rova bucks which you can use on travel, so it’s kind of like a travel savings.

    3. you can’t read negative things on a blog, (the one you linked too that guy is on a mission to stir up false negativity regarding WV because he got fired from the company)

    4. I PERSONALLY know people who are making really good money and enjoying the product.

    5. The vacations are cheap, i’ve done plenty of match and have the proof to back it up. The best vacations are the ones they curate. Not quite sure on booking a vacay on your own yet..haven’t tried that.

    6. The reps who are reaching out to you are STUPID and unprofessional. They are not following company policy, thanks for that. No one that I know markets that way..asking questions and being invasive.

    http://www.yelp.com/biz/worldventures-plano
    http://www.worldventures.com/
    https://www.facebook.com/WorldVentures

    ^^ see the truth/positivity here.

    See the negativity on the 2 blogs that are up bashing WV…you choose. Do your homework on your own instead of reading opinions.

    • “In Singapore, with reported membership of >20K to date, it means >19,000 are losing money every month to WV and a few hundred of their cronies”:

      http://worldventuresdiscuss.wordpress.com/2012/12/23/worldventures-income-disclosure-statement-only-0-09-made-money-21-6-earned-below-poverty-level-the-large-majority-dont-make-a-dime/

      Latest income disclosure statement from the Worldventures company itself:
      http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:-fCMGgfnH2cJ:gs1.wpc.edgecastcdn.net/80289E/media/1/PDF/unitedstates_us/incomedisclosure_us.pdf+worldventures+income+discloure+statement&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=my
      (This is a cached version of the income disclosure statement as the company doesn’t wish to publicize it anymore).

    • Isn’t it unprofessional to call someone in your company “stupid?” Just asking…can you just buy into WV for the vacations without having to sell and where is there a list of vacation package pricing so I can see how much the savings is? I don’t want to talk to a salesperson because I want to have everything in writing before I start spending money on something. Let me know.

    • Yes you can just buy the vacation DreamTrips membership. One time $199 payment and $54 a month fee. Even though you aren’t in the business, you can still waive your monthly fee by referring 4 people as long as they stay active you don’t pay your fee. I am glad I am out of WV. Extremely brainwashed and unethical practices in my city/group.

    • I am very much still trying to find anyone who has joined and actually went on a vacation….

    • I’m a member since the inaugural launching in my home country. I have went for 4 Dreamtrips up to date. (every 6 months, my country is an employee’s mindset country, I’m part of it..lol!) 3 Dreamtrips went and enjoyed with my groups and strangers who became friends, while the 1 trip I decided not to have much hype. Me, my wife and my 2 yrs old daughter spend most of our 5 days doing our own things.
      Yap, its not a must to join in as a member. Some will, most won’t. We can’t have 6 billion people in the world to franchise McDonald, who will be the consumer? That’s where we have a booking engine to cater for you all (as always you can see in expedia, agoda, travelocity etc…) where you can just book your flight, accommodation ala carte. To sign in as a preferred customer doesn’t involve any cost, its FREE. Whatever you booked through our personal booking engine, we representatives do get a 5%-10% commission payout in our Rovia Bucks, (which we can use to travel or to assist purchasing for others in return for cash). People will ask why book through yours? Why not expedia or agoda? Its simple. We provide a patented technology which is called Rate Shrinker. How it works? Every hour the price of flights changes. Let’s say you purchase through other websites that cost $1000. The next week you checked the price again and it shows $800. Our instant remarks will be, “Holy shit! I should have waited”. But we can’t forecast the prices. $200 lost. However, with this technology, once payment has been done, it will still keep researching for the lowest possible prices before your flight and will refund you the balance of what you had paid through your CC (see http://www.rateshrinker.com)
      Do go through the website cheapngood.dreamtripslife.com to play around with the system. I hope I have answered some of your questions. Cheers

    • I am part of WV. I just came from a trip to Italy as a guest. As soon as I came back I signed up.

  3. I joined Worldventures in Singapore for 7 months and just wrote in to terminate my membership.
    For all those people who don’t know how to terminate your membership, simply write to eteam@worldventures and indicate your rep ID, tell them you want to terminate.

    During my time there, I really enjoyed the company of friends a lot. Unfortunately I was spending too much time going to presentations and bringing people, with only occasional success.
    I have been spending $70/mth the past 7 months to enjoy the friendship. My original aim was to make money like how they always talk about.
    One day I woke up and decided its time to stop paying monthly fees for friendship and outings.
    I woke up when a ‘charismatic’ leader taught us during a training session that we have to create value for people to continue staying even when they are not successful in worldventures. Friendship and bonding was one of the value items he talked about. Immediately I felt like an idiot paying monthly fees for friendship.

    Most of the time during trainings or presentations they diss people working 9 to 5, saying self-employed like being in Worldventures is the way to go. When I came down to calculating $ per output hour, my current job paid much more. But they are very good at psycho-ing people, I also bought in that theory for a while.

    Everytime someone say thank you Worldventures for paying my holiday or thank you Worldventures for the money I draw out from my Worldventures debit card, people who haven’t make it yet get motivated.
    But have they ever stop and think, where did Worldventures get the money to pay these people?
    In the income disclosure, it is stated that 80% of the Worldventures rep did not get any commissions. Which means 80% of the people do not manage to get 4 and continue to pay monthly fees and this is distributed to the 20% of the people.

    What is more pathetic is that their nice sounding ranks which people strive so hard to achieve also don’t make much money.
    An average Marketing Director in Worldventures only makes USD$36,000 a year, which is only SGD$3,600 a month! Tell me which Marketing Director in any Singapore based company is paid only $3,600 a month. How to survive?
    This rank already puts the rep in the top 0.071% of the entire Worldventures population.

    http://gs1.wpc.edgecastcdn.net/80289E/media/1/PDF/unitedstates_us/incomedisclosure_us.pdf

    This company relies on the few individuals to psycho the whole population that if you give up you are a loser. What they don’t realise is that Worldventures don’t pay people. Its the people who join and pay monthly fees who are paying the passive income of the few individuals. That is why everytime when people drop out they are so affected and take it very personally, except for those on top who already have armies of people for buffer.

    Sorry for the long writeup, I just felt I should share my story with others. There are successful Worldventures members, but their successes are entirely dependent on the numbers of people who join them. People don’t join = no success.

    For those who have little friends and don’t mind paying monthly fees, join Worldventures. Its a good place to make friends.

    • I was also somehow pestered by a so called friend who keep sending me sms non stop about I will regret if I did not join him in WV.I later found out that he need 1 more person to fulfill the requirement of 4 pay no more.
      I deeply regret I listen to him and worse later got a friend to join as well.Sadly I gave up after 2 months and he gave up 3 months later which I felt real bad.

      I did a research and found that their dream trips is not really value for money.I book a flight to Yunnan through their Rovia website and due to exchange rate ends up I am paying more for my holidays instead,
      I got so fed up and found their explanation defensive and does not make sense at all which I decided to quit.

      One had to take note of the monthly fees because if you cannot get 4 after 1 year the total cost chalk up will be 720USD which I think can used that for a better holiday eleswhere.

    • Hi Dan,

      I was recently being “pestered” in a way or another into WV too, the guy invited me to the event at YMCA this coming Wednesday. Would really like to know about how this company really works before I go to waste my 1 hour of time. Please drop me a email @ shannelle_teo@yahoo.com.sg as soon as you can to fill me in with more details. Thanks in advance! :)

    • The $3600/mth you talk about is passive income. Passive income is money you get whether you work or not. People are working 9-5 jobs to get that average money,while these guys are earning it from the hard work they put it and now,they dont have to work to get that $3600. Google passive income.

      If success is easy to get,everyone would have it. But you cant give up just because of a few failures. This is what we were taught in this company. And it can be apllied generally in life. A life lesson taught. Some see results after 1 or 2 years,and they’re enjoying it because they didnt give up.

      Again,back to passive income. You earn the same amount as they do,but you gotta work from 9 to 5,while they barely have to work. Think about that.

      The point isnt to psycho you. If you cant get your 4,its not the system’s fault. You’re doing something wrong. Thousands of others have done it,so why cant you?

      To be successful isnt to bring a lot of people in. It’s by the hard work you give in to learn the system,learn the proper ways and not give up. If you understood the compensation plan,you only need to find six people. And if you can teach these six to be great,they get their six and so an. so forth. They will help grow your team. Think about all these.

    • Hi Hadzirun,

      Thanks for sharing. I agree with you that, for most things in life, if you give up too soon, you’ll not be able to succeed.

      At the same time, I’d like to urge people who find that it’s really not for them, to get out of there asap (or just not join in the first place).

    • Passive Income is an overused word by most mlms.

      I haven’t seen a single individual in Worldventures who didn’t have to advertise on facebook anymore or could stop going to any business presentations or could stop giving business presentations and still get constant or increasing income. Not even the first guy who brought it to Singapore. That is work too you know, not exactly passive.

      And recently in the shared worldventures dropbox I’m in, this lady who got the marketing director rank, she proudly shared with us a print screen of her past 3 months commissions. Average it was USD$2,300 a month. She travels to Malaysia alternate weekends a month and flies every month to Brunei, Philippines and Jakarta to give presentations. When she is in Singapore she gives presentations every day and night. If you minus the business travel and hotel costs, she actually didn’t make any money. Yet she is already one of the success examples in worldventures.

      “You’re doing something wrong. Thousands of others have done it,so why cant you?”

      I’m not saying worldventures system is at fault.

      If people want to contribute to this tin and patiently wait in hopes of their turn to reap more from the tin in future, that is definitely their choice.

      I just don’t want myself or my friends to be contributing to this tin just so that someone else can collect from this tin and then thank worldventures.

      Perhaps people like me have collectively made many patient waiters skip some turns at taking from the communal tin, but well, that’s our perogative isn’t it?

    • Have you ever taken one of the WV vacations? I was wondering if joining for the “cheap” vacations is worth the price. I’m not interested in selling at all. I suppose if I have to ask that question, I pretty much know the answer.

    • Caroline, you can join as a member without having to sell. However it makes more sense to be a rep as well. Because retail members pay USD$200 one time off and USD$50/mth for life. There is no refer 4 pay no more for retail members

    • Thanks Dan, for the lengthy writeup on your experiences. It is so very useful. Your analysis makes sense to me. Just to comment to your last paragraph, if you have few friends, it is difficult to get the 4 people to sponsor. Some say after a while you can run out of people to talk to and like insurance agents, people will start to avoid you like plague

    • Thank you Dan, I’ve been searching high and low to find the proper way to terminate my membership and they kept telling me I have to write and send the request to the address in the states. Your sharing is really helpful. Thank you.

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  5. Hi Shanelle, let me take you through what will happen on Wednesday.
    First your friend sits you down in YMCA.
    While waiting for the event to start, a series of videos of ang mohs enjoying themselves at the beach will start to play, and they will tell you, ‘YOU SHOULD BE HERE!’

    Then someone will introduce himself or herself and tell you that X months ago he/she made a life changing decision and is now traveling for free and making money at the same time, followed by….’Isn’t that AWESOME?!’

    Once the intro crap is over, they will show you this gum ball video to tell you that the travel industry is a trillion dollar industry.

    After they wow you with the trillion dollars, they show you a Matt Morris video which is the actual presentation video

    This video will say how cheap their vacations are, how much you can potentially make ( when actually you have to pay fees so that others can make ).

    In fact the guy in this video, Matt Morris did not even earn his way in Worldventures. He was given the position and marketed as a success icon so that people will join. This was mentioned in the series of lawsuits currently going against Worldventures in Texas. The files are publicly accessible online. If you dare to ask your friend about this, he will face you with silence for a while before replying, ‘Look at all these people here, you are telling me this is a scam?’

    After the video someone will flash you a series of holidays that seems cheap but actually are not. Trips are priced in US Dollars and hotel cost is charged per person, not per room. Very few Asia trips are competitive. Only the Marina Bay Sands hotel stay can save about $50-$100 in total.
    Some of the Europe and US trips can be competitive, but having been on 3 trips thus far, I can tell you with each trip you always have to take lots of pictures with the blue banners for advertisements. My ex leader kept pushing us to go for holiday so that we can put on Facebook to tell our friends how much we are enjoying ourselves. And every holiday I feel obliged to be filmed with the rest yelling ‘YOU SHOULD BE HERE YOU SHOULD BE HERE’ like some cult.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IVEzz9HUcE

    During the whole presentation, members are supposed to make cat calls and clap at the correct timing. Those who don’t participate or play with phones during presentation get scolded by this fat indian man with a big pot belly.

    Then a string of people will go up in front to share how much worldventures have change their lives. After that, an auntie who used to be a math tutor will tell you how much you can make in worldventures.

    In the short term, you will be drawn in to the so called cheap holidays and some price pledges. But in the long run you will know that you have been duped. And although you got sold on making a living, living, you find yourself a slave, always having to find people to fulfill the get 4 pay no more.

    This is because to join you first pay USD$360 and every month you have to pay USD$61 until you manage to recruit 4 people in. If you don’t manage to recruit at least 4 people AND make them STAY, you keep paying USD$61/mth.

    Because too many people have left Worldventures, they introduced a rewards program, so that every month you keep paying the USD$61/mth, they give you points for holidays. I just checked, they allow most points to be offset on Asia holidays because it is their Asia holidays that are expensive (means you actually don’t save). For Europe/US holidays, you can offset much lesser points.

    With USD$1,020 or $1,224 Singapore dollars spent in a year, I suggest you go ahead and book your holiday instead of joining Worldventures. The so called successful people who give testimonials during the presentations earn from suckers who pay membership fees. You stay, they earn. You leave, there goes their income. There is no reason to look up to these people at all. The so called Number 1 in Asia who brought this to Singapore doesn’t tell the truth when he says X thousands of people joined. He always includes the numbers of people who left.

    Many people have also complained that their travel search engine is not cheap. To claim for price pledge also needs to meet certain criteria, it is not that straightforward as marketed.
    The person will also show you that this Rovia travel search engine beat Expedia in the World Travels Award. But the truth is they kept rallying us to vote for Rovia, which is why it won. Nobody outside of Worldventures ever heard of Rovia. But everyone inside and outside of Worldventures all know about Expedia.

    After the 2 and a half hours is finally over, your friend will sit down with you and convince you to join. If he can’t convince you, someone else will join in to convince you. Either way, give me a choice all over again, I won’t join.
    Even if I make money in this it has to be at the expense of someone losing money.

  6. Just wanting to put in my 2 cents. I joined World Ventures 2 weeks ago and booked a 4-day package to Nice for SG$50 a day. Sounds sweet? Right – except the confirmation never came even after a week has passed, and when I contacted the hotel directly it says that no reservations has been made. However, monies has already been deducted from my credit card!

    I’m not saying that WV is a scam. Far from it. I respect what they do. But for them to mess up my FIRST purchase is nowhere near acceptable. I have since terminated my membership with World Ventures, and insisted that they refund ALL monies deducted from my account failing which, I WILL take all their email correspondence publically, and expose their incompetence at handling such a simple transaction.

    • Thanks for sharing, Sheha. If they messed up your first purchase but you still respect what they do, why not give them a chance to rectify it instead of terminating your membership? After all, a 4-day package to Nice at S$50 per day sounds amazing!

  7. Hey Grace, thank you for posting this up.

    It was really helpful in helping me decide.
    I had someone contacted me about meeting up soon to talk about a travel concept and managed to find out he was working for WorldVentures.

    I managed to get to your website after digging in deeper about what the company actually does.
    Was also shocked to see, the picture you posted is one of my friend.

  8. A friend asked me to join WV. I told him I would consider it after I did some research. I felt pressured. I wanted to see a contract…something written where the company and I would spell out what exactly I was paying for. I just want to vacation and not sell to others. I cannot find much on actual vacation reviews just on WV as a business. I did read the terms of use on the WV website and I am not impressed.
    Has anyone taken an actual vacation? Please let me know.

  9. I recently joined WV after a friend convinced me into it. I guess at that point of time, the monetary reward of this business seemed very appealing and I ‘fell’ for it.

    Prior to joining (making payment), that friend of mine told me not to speak to anyone about it because I may lose my ‘potential customers’ (her reason was because I was still amateur at explaining what Dreamtrips were and I’ll need to be properly trained before starting spreading words/recruiting). And I was also told that there will be lots of scams/news on the internet if I were to start researching and she gave a list of websites for ‘proper’ research. The naive side of me listened, kept everything to myself and signed up the next day. Bottom line, I should’ve seek for opinions. Lesson learnt!

    A month passed, and I still couldn’t get my 4(so pay no more) ; and I realize it wasn’t for me. Trust me, I have given my 101% and I have never met this many people within such short period of time, in my life. To cut the long story short, as lucrative as these luxury vacations may seem.. at the end the day, it’s actually too good to be true.

    Yes, there are a lot of success stories; but that’s probably only 0.2% of the entire WV population.

    I have emailed WV for my account termination but has yet to receive any news. Hopefully they wouldn’t continue charging my credit card for the coming months.

    Nonetheless, definitely a lesson to learn. Quite a pricey one.

    • I would like to share my experience on a world venture pitch given by tv personality Alaric tay. I was a fan of his until this pitch unfortunately came about. This is what you should expect: the pitcher will begin by asking a series of stupid questions ie. do you like travelling?, do you like travelling for free? How large do you think the travelling industry is? * he shows you the gum balls video to emphasize how large the industry is* at this point, if you feel sorry for the pitcher, you can clap or act surprised. Then he will ask you to guess a number of trips on how much they cost. At this point, you may have had enough of this nonsense and can just reply free. This will be the gist of the pitch.

      Here are a series of questions you may choose to ask the pitcher: 1. How much $$ are you expected to put in first, and then thereafter in total? 2. What happens if you are unable to recruit the x number under you, will your pitcher be so kind to pay you the monthly fee to help you get by? No, not just helping you make pitch, but paying for you if you really do not make the numbers? 3. Is wv selling me **the right to access a travel agency website named rovia**, which you may never have heard before? 4. How many trips does work venture offer in Asia and ask him to show you the number of trips offered and price differences with other websites like expedia? If the pitcher tells you you can design your own! Do ask yourself, why not just go to a travel agency instead of paying for an access to design your own trips?

      My conclusion: I was absolutely appalled by this, not because they thought I would fall for it, but they were hardselling this to the 19 year old ns boy. Ns boy said he was interested but cant afford the 360 dollars initial fee. One of the wv enthusasts had the audasity to say “how much do you get for ns and when is your ns salary coming in? We have to make this pitch before the ns salary is in to all your friends also!”

    • Thanks for sharing, Alison. I don’t think they should have tried to hard-sell WV to someone still in NS. But I guess they will continue doing what they are doing. Just help spread the word so if people still want to join, at least they go in with their eyes wide open.

  10. I was approached by my friend whom I met in ICT and has been wanting to meetup for a “business idea” due to my busy schedule we finally met up after 6 months of persuation, so was a lunch meeting with 4 others Malaysian friend who were WV members. So the advertising and selling starts, they will say they are enjoying the trips and with be travelling to countries a b c in the next few months. So I question, even I get to travel that often with the discounted trips do u think I have a month of leave each year to go? They replied that u can transfer the points to other members which is stupid cos I pay membership n ppl go holiday just because of the very fact of limited leave each employer is entitled, ridiculous! And they will tell u this fact on how a start of $350 as a investment fir something great if nit the losses is just 350bucks, never did they mention on recurring fee that u need to continue paying till u get ur 4, misleading info.

    So the nice successful one will bring a macbook n start flashing videos, photos, testimonial, cheap deals and refund to entice me. Lucky I was a noob who doesn’t travel often so have my reservations. Once the guy finish promoting he leaves for another appointment after his qn n answer session, I guess is off to psycho another potential prey. Leave me either 3 other guys n ny frenzy, the psycho session start-shirts, they will bring out names like gourmet Singh Cynthia koh and Darren lim to show the credibility of WV. But having been to quite a fee mlm talks (I”ve nv signed up for any, just want with open mind n support my friend request) I knew the basic principle is the same, if u dun sell a product or service, money gas to be taken away somewhere which in this case , the recurring membership fee.

    Always for your research n not my friendship n peer pressure. The underlying system of mlm NEVER changes,

    • Thanks for sharing, cz. Indeed, it IS an MLM business and not everyone will achieve that level of success. Most people just end up as stepping stones for other peoples’ success. ;)

  11. Good Post! I have a few friends being brain washed and no matter how much proof I dig from the the net to show them, they will just say all the proof are “scams” from competitive company which is trying to ruin their reputation. I am really blank for they way they reply me for proofing to them. I wont agree to any MLM whether is legit or not. Ponzi or Pyramid is just not my cup of tea.

  12. Malkis

    Hi my best friend tr to get me into WV and I said no she don’t even talk to me anymore don’t even answers my phone calls no even a text I guess WV is more important than keep a friendship so sad but te truth….

  13. Hi,

    Imho

    Network Marketing is perfect for everyone.
    But not everyone is perfect for Network Marketing.
    Each proper company has its own legit business model.

    In such case, the downlines’ mistakes may be the result of the uplines’ incompetency.
    And that may go all the way up to the 001.

    The mind is like a parachute, it works when it’s opened.
    Thoughts and Feelings go in hand in hand and it’s only a matter of choice.

    Although WV products and compensation plan isn’t my preferred choice.
    But i still think they are a great company because they have improved the quality of most people’s lives be it monetary or non-monetary.

    There are many considerations and benefits that one can be involved in a MLM company.
    If you still think the Network Marketing business may work for you but still have some doubts, i would suggest try giving yourself more time to research/readup. Google and Youtube primarily would give you a deeper insight into this kind of business model from your point of perspective as an average Networker or Business Builder. Although the nature of the business in duplication may sound easy, it may also take you some time to understand the Integrity and Proper Applications of this business until then you decide if your desire and time allow.

    Network Marketing might just be for you. Choose a company that suits your unique preference.

    Cheers =)
    Passerby

  14. Worse still, I was invited by a COUCHSURFING friend to join this “travel sharing” event at the Loft cafe. Had to rush over from office to see what was this about..

    After the first video was played, this young guy comes up to give a talk about how much he earned and shit like that. Asking questions that lure you to say YES. I couldn’t believe at how many people in that room right there raised their hands enthusiastically to those kinda questions and shouting and yaying and stuff.. kind of reminds you of some cult group.

    Could smell something was wrong as I read up on Pyramid schemes and Ponzi schemes etc.. thank god I left.

  15. Membership will cost about $385 and service fee around $70 each month. Hey you don need worldventure, just save those fees and you can have a luxury vacation with yout family.

  16. Yes. World ventures is a scam and the company conducts it’s trainings almost cult like so participants are brainwashed!!! It’s crazy. My fiancé became obsessed with it. He went to a couple of trainings in Dallas and when he came back, he was different. He would tell me how everyone was brainwashed up buy the idea that college and education and 9-5 jobs will ensure success. He feverishly claimed that world ventures is the only way to be successful and have a good retirement. I looked at him thinking what the company could have done to brainwash him. The people behind this company should be brought to justice. They have preyed on so many innocent people and taken advantage of close personal relationships to increase recruitment. I would never want any of my friends to be conned into this and I told him that he can in no way involve any of my friends and family in this company. He initially agreed but started recruiting them. World ventures should be reported as a scam!

    • Veronica,

      The 9 to 5 thing doesn’t work anymore. Job security is a myth. I’ve been let go from way too many jobs in the past few years to believe that it’s just a coincidence. We’re in a new economic paradigm. The corporate 9 to 5 may have worked for past generations, but it doesn’t anymore. There’s no company loyalty or integrity. Everyone’s a number and completely dispensable. At least in the USA. If you’re not here, I can’t speak for your country, but I suspect it’s similar in other nations as well.

      Network marketing is a legitimate business model, and one that can provide a sustainable, stable, and substantial income, but it’s not for everyone. If you have what it takes and go after it with a passion, it can provide a lot of benefits for your family.

      Here’s what I know (and what your fiancee was talking about, likely): I don’t want to work 40 hours a week for 40 years of my life to retire on only 40% of my previous income, which is the average in the USA. The industry of network marketing provides an alternative to that. And WorldVentures is one of the few that has a unique product that everyone wants. It’s not just about travel. It’s an entire lifestyle of fun, freedom, and fulfillment.

      If not WorldVentures, any legitimate company in the industry is a great alternative. Most people do this because they have a dream that has nothing to do with their work. This industry gives them a chance to buy back some of their time to do what they’re truly passionate about. Most people don’t have the time or the energy to do it if they’re working 40 to 50+ hours a week just to help someone else build their dream. You can build your own, but you need the time and the energy to do it. Network marketing can help.

  17. Hi Dan, did the lady really make $2300 a month? Friends who joined worldventyres rave about it and bragged to me how much they are making. Yet I see them downsizing expenses, which doesn’t add up. Can you share the print screen?

  18. Dan, what you said about the auntie who used to be a math tutor, she was very mad. 2 days ago, she blew her top in our biz training Facebook group because 1. You called her an auntie. In our hearts we know she is already an auntie but it is quite insensitive to point out that she is one, especially in a public place like a blog. It is hard for her to face this ‘auntie’ status at this transit age, so please be kind. 2. Your calculation of her finances embarrassed her. FYI, she drives a Mercedes, so her finances should be good. Yes she travels frequently, but that is to spread worldventures in asia. So the money is well spent. Dan, please be more sensitive to women in future.

  19. I am still in the Biz Training Group as well.

    I saw that auntie’s post, she mistook another person I was talking about for herself. She claimed I made personal attacks on her training. I did not mention her training at all.

    The charismatic leader who taught us to use friendships to make downlines stay is a GUY. Although I don’t agree with his teachings, I give him full marks on charisma. His trainings always pack the room overflowing with people. His voice is powerful, deep and influential. It is hard to find a trainer who has that kind of charisma.

    Auntie took the post too personally.
    I hereby emphasise, she is NOT the charismatic leader I mentioned. Although nobody will describe her as charismatic, the few of us in the group will still remember her as motherly.

    • It says that she “was drawn to WorldVentures for its VolunTours”

      However internal sources reveal that from the time she joined till now she has not gone for a single VolunTour.

      Sometimes press releases on charity or good works are really just PR stunts.

      In fact there is a group of them right now in Jakarta doing a Prospecting Tour till 18th Nov when Indonesia is not cleared for compliance to recruit. And they always claim WorldVentures care about legality and compliance.

      My sharing so far had been about my inside experience with WorldVentures, not about the auntie who used to be a math tutor. Her vivid imagination centred what I wrote to be 100% about her.

      Sometimes during testimonials they paint really good pictures because they need to lure you in. Because when they lure you in thats when they earn money. That is why they tell you they make $XXX but they don’t tell you they have to spend $YYY and ZZZ hours. Now that lesser and lesser Singaporeans are joining, one needs to fly overseas to explore ‘new markets’. Spending money is vital to expansion.

      I understand why people like her are angry, that is because people like us reveal whats really on the inside, filtering more people from joining and slowing their income. If you tell anybody that their pay cheque is coming in later and later, of course they will get angry and find people to blame. They will blame their friends for not being able to see the vision, blame that because they have lousy friends they cannot succeed. And if a person drives Mercedes all the more anxious about cashflow. If paycheque comes in little, how to pay for Mercedes?

      Let us compare a Marketing Director in a local SME vs a MD in WV
      (Assuming both have Mercedes and travel frequently for work and prospecting)

      MD in WV:
      Mercedes upkeep: $1,500
      4-5 Budget Flights: $800
      4-5 Cheap Hotel stays: $1,200

      Expenses: $1,500+ $800 + $1,200 = $3,500

      MD in Local SME:
      Mercedes upkeep: $1,500
      Co pay for Work Flights: $ -
      Co. pay for Hotel Stays for Work: $ -

      Expenses: $1,500

      Its quite obvious who wins in the cashflow game.
      For the first example, one needs to be making more than $3,500 in order to float.
      For this aspect I really like to highlight to everyone, those making at least $3,500/mth forms less than 0.75% of the WV population. Worldventures themselves declared it here

      http://gs1.wpc.edgecastcdn.net/80289E/media/1/PDF/unitedstates_us/incomedisclosure_us.pdf

  20. Thanks guys for sharing this post… At first I also hesitate when my insurance agent introduced me to this website since I’m not really a chatty person and don’t have marketing n sale background so I told him that I wanted to ask my boyfriend for second opinion but he’s very persuasive convincing me to join since i like traveling etc etc PLUS he give me assurance that he will help me find my 4 persons so I don’t have to pay monthly fee anymore. So I joined the club But later on when compare the price from Rovia with other travel club like Agoda or Expedia, they don’t really hv much options, which is kind of disappointing. Moreover when my boyfriend found out I join the website, he showed some link in youtube and other blog that explain that is just another pyramid scam. So today I decided to terminate my membership before I go deeper thinking I will get extra income and can travel for free.

  21. Im enjoying the company from April. And Im really happy to with people who likes to live, travel, be happy etc.

    Company of course is giving for me fantastic friends.
    First month I didnt done nothing…but then I realize how huge can be that, so just I paid my montly payment- BUT- there is one point- from 60 $ with you paid- 50 $ are coming back to your travel account, so just acctually you dont lose nothing…!
    Now I have my 4, I have been in DTrip, I have been in Italy in seminar….
    And its true- you really do something wrong if you dont have your 4 OR your friends sorry, but dont belives you. And if you dont belive- they will not belive you aswell…

  22. Grace, everything is all about network, dont be naive..what you are doing now is also networking in the internet, if you didn’t write up interesting topic, no one would have found out your blog, thus no network or traffic flows into your blog. Making a blog popular seriously can make a blogger rich by getting paid by writing review on some products / services. Its all the same, whether it is membership in a Golf club or membership in a travel club, they all require member to pay fees to enjoy privileges. This is to improve loyalty of their customers, so that they don’t switch brand (to other travel company), and at the same time, with the enormous number of members they have, they gain more bargain power with hotels and so on…The only difference is they do it in MLM way to reward their members by expanding their own network. By leveraging on the power of their member’s network, they saved a lot of adverts cost, staff cost (sales person, operator etc), saving cost means cheaper retail price for the members.

    If you don’t like to play Golf, don’t join that is it, same like a travel club, but please stop accusing a company with false negative article without researching what is pyramid scam, what is MLM and what is business etc. In our life, I’m sure we have been asked many times by insurance friends or agents to sign up an insurance (insurance is also MLM in case if you didn’t know), but if we don’t need that, just reject and move on. Cheers~

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  24. I’m a member of WV. Traveled to 6 different places this year at incredible prices. Got the money I put in back in less than a month. Waived monthly fee. Got my BMW as an insentive for my hard work. Membership fee automatically turns into travel dollars towards a vacation for any member. What’s to lose? I gained so much as soon as I stoped being so close minded. Don’t take advice from a broke person…

    • Hey Nat, tell us then which 6 places you went to, at what price, and whether you had to travel with a bunch of WV folks. Is it possible that EVERY WV member can end up with a BMW like you? Did you lose any friends from your “hard work” at WV and not being “close minded”?

    • just got pursued by an old friend….. to me it is too good to be true, and the weird thing is that they only mention the benefit of cheap traveling package or hotels in the beginning. After that all they talking about how much money you can get if you recruit others

  25. You guys are naïve and ignorant to the concept of actually enjoying yourself while having fun and freedom as you create a financial freedom base. Is not for everyone, this is for people actually wanting to have fun and elevate their money and not for people who will end up building someone else dreams!! Keep being skeptical and just rush and build your boss freedom while you create what you wish for yourself!

  26. Worldventures should invest money in a good PR team if they claim to be making such good profits. Featuring a ‘marketing director’ in their blog who “…was drawn to WorldVentures for its VolunTours” is a big no no if the person really has not gone for VolunTours yet. It seems apparent to an outsider that members are given fancy titles in huge batches, if an article like this has not been looked over carefully. Frivolous to say the least.

  27. Have done a statistic study on WV and would like to share…

    Let’s use this model only in Singapore.

    in the WV business model, for every free member, he/she need to have 4 members who pays monthly membership.
    So the Theory is base on 4 to the Power of n (in Math).

    So if 1 (FM) free membership requires 4 (MPM) monthly paying memberships,
    then the number as follows,

    1 FM – 4 MPM
    4 FM – 16 MPM
    16 FM – 64 MPM
    64 FM – 256 MPM
    ….
    ….
    1048576 FM – 4194304 MPM

    There are 5.4 million total population in Singapore in the year 2013.
    So to say, in order to have 1 Million Free membership, you need 4 million paying members (by then WV will have a rate of 100% membership. – I know I am exaggerating, but a good business plan must be 100% tested )

    But wait, do not forget that there are 4 million monthly paying customer created… they have monthly bills to pay…
    if you are looking for financial freedom, and if you are one of the 4 million paying members, naturally you will try to build your team of 4, but the whole Singapore is in WV, so tell me, how are you going to find a new member, you may ended up having no choice but to look out of Singapore…
    Meaning, this plan have actually make the 80% of the population paying for the 20% who are enjoying free membership.So once WV have 20% free membership in Singapore, it is unlikely for the remaining members to achieve the free membership.

    And to add, since this is a travel business, we are only looking at working adults from age 25 -65. Base on the population statistic, this group form 60% of Singapore Citizens which is only 1.98 million.

    This make the business idea even more challenging!

    Hope this help.

    • Thanks for sharing, Alfred. I hope more people will understand this simple math and not get con-vinced to join WV and be so easily seduced by its false promises of financial freedom, yada yada.

      I am quite sure WV offers opportunities to network with (certain) celebrities and meet with people with similar goals (like in an interest group) but beyond that, things don’t look very rosy. ;)

  28. I have worked for an airline for more than 20 years.
    I fly the world and get paid for it too.
    Been to 50 countries so far…
    So, yeah, there are better ways than WV to see the world.

  29. If you’ve found that the prices are cheaper than WV is offering. Your trip is free. They arent suppose to be hollering everything is free. Its not free its just cheaper & good discounts.

    • In that case, WV should have gone bankrupt very early on. Because my simple experiment already showed that it is cheaper to book holidays on my own. Assuming everyone in WV claimed their free trips based on my experiment, WV would have had to send everyone on free holidays. So why didn’t they? What is the “approval” process like for these “cheaper prices therefore holiday is free” trips?

  30. Please read and share the link below with everyone you care about! It is by a FORMER WorldVentures rep who describes what he witnessed and experienced and why he quit. Post and share so others can be warned.
    blog.rdptechs.net/2013/06/20/worldventures-scam/

  31. I know all the people you guys mention. Dyna Lim the tution-teacher, Jeremiah Gee the radio dj from Singapore. Each have strength / weakness.
    Although most of my fren in worldventure not making money at the moment, we have a lot of fun having party, group holiday. Its my cup of tea.
    Dyna taught us be like the spider, not frog. The frog laugh at the spider for taking long time to build the web to catch insect. The frog can catch insect with its tongue quickly. One day the frog grow old and cannot catch insect fast. The spider could just wait for insects to get trap and eat the insect. So Dyna teach us, other people work 9 to 5 are frog. We are the spider build the web with worldventure, need time to build but in the end we have insect to eat. So althogh now we not making money, we dun nid to worry.
    Thanks for letting me to share, if there are people who like having party and group holiday, come and build the spider web.

    • Thanks for sharing, Jay! I really support the idea of generating passive income, building a business, throwing parties and having fun. Really. I quit my full-time job to be a blogger! Thing is, I don’t like spinning a web of lies and conning 4 friends to join the organization. Friends don’t spin webs for friends. Can you blame me?

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  33. I had joint WV (Malaysia) since 15/01/14. After further consideration, I wished to cancel my membership. Cant anyone please comment how can I cancel my membership & can I get my full refund?

  34. Hey! I join WorldVentures 3 months ago so in a way I’m really at the bottom of the pyramid letting all the top guys stone stepping on me. But even though I have only made a few hundred dollars, I believe I have gained much much more from WV den just money!

    The people there are really amazing. Because in my work place it’s very political and they judge you base on your status and title. But here in WV, they treat each and everyone as equals and encourage and motivate you not just in your WV business, but also in my life and my relationships as well. I’ve never felt anything like this before. I gained knowledge that I don’t get to learn in school, I developed confidence through the training platform, I was pushed to overcome my biggest fear of all time, I gained network and most importantly, because of the company, me and my family got alot closer together. All of these in my opinion are priceless =)

    I agree in many ways of what you say and it’s totally logical. But in life, many things are not base on logic and alot of things cannot be explained; such as emotions and relationships. If we use logic to explain it, it spoils the beauty of it. Yes I totally understand the top guy makes the most money. Yes I understand that there are some black sheep in the company who pesters people to join and some are really just plain nasty. But isn’t everywhere the same? The top guy makes the most money stone stepping on everyone? In any corporate company, or even in a country?

    There is no wrong and there is no right in this world. It’s all about perspective. And yes I get that your perspective is great and awesome. But you are a very famous and credible blogger whom people respects. So if you post such an anti WorldVentures post, alot of people will take your opinion seriously. And most people in this world and especially in this country are suffering and having problems and when an amazing company like WV come into their life, they are not sure to believe or not to believe, and therefore turn to the internet to read your blog. And because of a post like this, it creates a ripple effect in many many ways if you look at life in a become picture. Take for example me, if I saw your blog before joining WV, I wouldn’t have join 3 months ago. And because of that, my personal development growth will still be dysfunctional. My family’s bonding will still be as bad. And the people that I brought and and about to bring in, the people who wants to bring their life to a whole new level will never happen because of the power of one.

    So anyway, what I’m trying to say is, WV may not be for everyone (just like durian). But at least let people have a chance, to go after and chase that dream. It may happen for them. But from what I read, 95% of the people who stay on in a network marketing company for 10 years live life beyong their wildest dreams be it riches of in personal growth. And that is statistics in a way I believe will help people =)

  35. Actually I also believe billionaires such as Donald Trump, Warren Buffet, and Robert Kiyosaki all endorses network marketing. Because it’s an industry that is more den just about money, pyramid and stone stepping on anyone. It’s life. Just my 2 cents!

    • Sorry, your belief is based on what, again? Something you read from somewhere at some point in time, in some book, in some country? EVEN IF joining WV means I don’t make a single cent from the pyramid structure, it is FINE. JUST give me cheaper holidays and scrap the 4 recruits requirement, and I’ll be happy.

    • From the book “The business of the 21st Century by Robert Kiyosaki.” The entire book endorses the network marketing industry.

      From the book “Why We Recommend Network Marketing” by Donald Trump and Robert Kiyosaki.

      If I lost everything and had to start again, I would find myself a great network marketing company and get to work. – Donald Trump

      “The best investments I’ve ever made were network marketing companies” – Warren buffet

      “The network marketing industry promotes core values all around the globe and gives people the chance to make the most of their lives and, to me that is the heart of the American dream. – Bill Clinton (Former US president)

      “The best kept secret in the business world… Network Marketing” – Fortune 500

      “From 2006 – 2016, there will be 10 million new Millionaires in the U.S alone, more than double the last decade… Many will be from the network marketing industry!” – Paul Zane Pilzer is a renowned economist and the author of eight best-selling books and dozens of scholarly publications

      “If I were to start all over again, I would choose Network Marketing” – Bill gates

      Ernst & Young; a multinational professional services firm, is one of the “Big Four” accounting firms which has 175,000 employees and more than 700 offices in over 150 countries. It provides assurance (including financial audit), tax, consulting and advisory services to companies. In 2010, Ernst & Young nominated Wayne Nugent and Mike Azcue, for the Ernst And Young, Entrepeneur of the Year Award as the regional finalist.

    • Weiting, quick question: If a company is set up TODAY specifically for the purpose of conning people of their savings (but, of course, you won’t know that), and claims to be all about network marketing and shows you all these quotes you have stated above (from Buffett to Clinton), you would sign up with the company, right? ;)

    • Grace,quick question: If a company is set up TODAY specifically for the purpose of conning people of their savings, wouldn’t Ernst & Young, a multinational professional services firm, is one of the “Big Four” accounting firms who basically does research and auditing on companies for a living be able to know that? But no… Ernst & Young even put up their mega huge reputation and nominated WorldVentures.

      Nope it’s not only quotes from Buffet to Clinton. They even wrote and entire book about endorsing the industry. And even Clinton endorses it through the entire video. So at the end of the day, it’s your word against theirs; the people whom you interview for the sake of this blog. You can go to bookstores such as kinokuniya to check out their books if you want =)

    • Haiz… It was a nomination and not a win and people make a huge fuss about it. If WV ever wins, let me know?

      I won’t bother arguing with you guys anymore. I’ll go about my life and you, yours. I have said my piece about WV. Peace.

    • As we all know, a nomination by Ernst & Young is not just any nomination. It is an extremely prestigious nomination. It’s a nomination that shows that it has one of the most brilliant concept ever been created. To even get nominated by Ernst & Young it’s already a done deal. You have no idea how proud any company would be to even get nominated by them. Go take a look at the criteria and you will know what I mean. http://www.ey.com/SG/en/About-us/Entrepreneurship/Entrepreneur-Of-The-Year/EOY—Judging-criteria

      Moreover, all the HIGHLY successful people endorses network marketing and DSN global 100; the highest level and most prestigious place for networking marketing companies to be ranked placed WorldVentures in the top 100 in the entire world out of thousands and thousands of other company; of which, WorldVentures is the only Travel company in the entire list. http://directsellingnews.com/index.php/view/the_2013_dsn_global_100_list?popup=yes#.UvoCTqYazCQ

      Not only that; this gentleman called Myron Wick who was appointed as the advisor for peace corps by the president of the United States and who also is Director, chairman, CEO, COO of multiple multi-billion dollar companies is now the chairman of WorldVentures. http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/people/person.asp?personId=304091&ticker=CTCM&previousCapId=22931744&previousTitle=CTC%20MEDIA%20INC

      So with a person of his credibility, with Ernst & Young, with DSN Global 100, and with all the highly successful people endorsing the industry, when it all adds up, doesn’t it says alot about the company?

      However you fight it or argue with it, it’s the very people u interview or WANT to interview endorses the industry word against yours.

      Why?
      1) Highly successful people endorses the industry: Fact
      2) Ernst & Young nominates it as the regional finalist: Fact
      3) The top 100 companies in that industry and WV is in it: Fact

      Is the company perfect? No…. definitely not. It will never be. But is it awesome? My opinion does not matter. But the facts said so.

    • Whoever is crafting these replies for you is doing a good job. All these can be extremely misleading. Take it from the people who have chosen to leave WV and are relieved they got out.

      I am glad you have such conviction. It means you will do well in WV or any other NM company.

      I am just glad too that I am not in your circle of friends and won’t be asked by you to attend any of their talks and/or to join. ;)

    • The successful people you interviewed all have certain characteristics am I right to say that? That is their attitude and conviction to things that they desire. Their never say die attitude. That’s why the people who left WV are usually the people who think short term and lack of determination. They demand instant gratification. The want quick money and microwave success. But it doesn’t apply it in greatness. Nothing of greatness will come easily or quickly.

      In WV or any network marketing is a solid platform for anybody to come into it because of it’s low start up cost. But it gives people a chance to train and and develop themselves in terms of personal growth; confidence, attitude, perspective, etc etc. And with these skill set, they won’t only be able to succeed in WV, they will be able to pursue anything in life in any career, their relationship, health etc etc.

      But because of this blog post, it instill fear in people to even give it a try. So what I’m trying to say is; losing $360 USD won’t kill anyone. But denying people the chance of growing is killing their hope and push them back to their comfort zone. You may not feel it because it’s just writing of a post. But look at a big picture; it creates a ripple effect. Like I said; with great power, comes great responsibility. If you are just any blogger, I wouldn’t even bother. But you are someone I respect alot from your other blog postings. I enjoy reading them and your insights. It’s inspirational and therefore, it’s influential. I don’t blame you because network marketing is an industry that alot of people won’t understand until they are part of it.

    • That is where the WorldVentures foundation, a non profit organization comes in. 1 person paint 1 school fast or 200 people painting 1 school will be faster? We went to paint a school for the children and in 2 hours, we painted the entire school for them. And not only that, each and everyone of us chipped in a donation to help the children and that my friend, is called leverage.

      This will be my last post because there’s one thing you are right, I realize it is for me to try and change your perception of not only WV, but also your mindset and looking at things in a bigger picture. Enjoy blogging!

    • After getting as many 360USD from as many people as possible, yeah you had better paint some schools. Don’t wait for something called karma. ;)

      No one needs WV in order to do charity work. No one needs WV in order to travel the world. No one needs WV in order to set up a business.

      You simply need a heart for helping people… I hope you will find that. It does not involve 360 USD. Goodbye.

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  37. I joined WV a year ago… simply because I wanted to support my best friend who gave up his full time job to pursue his dream of “making a living…. living.” I had never checked my account since, and have been paying for the membership fees all these while. I think it’s time to stop.

    I think as appealing as it sounds, WV doesn’t work for anyone. Although my friend’s participation in WV has reflected positively (more confident) on him, he is close-minded more than ever. I can’t talk to him about my work anymore…. cause “Why work?” Nothing seems to be good enough.

    He would tell me that they are selling “dream”… and yet so many dreams had to be crushed.

    • A lot of people studied hard, hoped to go out there and get a job and get a good life, have a nice house, have a nice car, and to really give their parents a good life for taking good care of them and also to provide with their children the best they good.

      But… so many dreams had to be crushed following that path.Don’t you agree? WV has reflected positively on him and gave him more confidence. But won’t you agree that this confidence will take him to a higher level elsewhere and not just only WV? He just realized that to stay in a traditional job, he would be settling. And we are only given one life, don’t settle. Don’t create a small reality for the years you have remaining on this planet.

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  40. Hey Grace. My name is Lucaz and I’m 25 years old who just graduated from my degree studies. I join WV when I was a year 1 student and was dead broke and had to borrow $500 from my friend to get started.

    Yesterday, I met with a lady who is a single mother with 2 kids and she just joined WV recently less den a month. She shared with me that before WV, every time when she reaches home, her 2 sons will go straight back to their own rooms immediately and stay in there and her, to her own room. But ever since WV came into their lives, they started having frequent family dinners together, started talking and having discussions about WV and started having precious family moments together and she said: “This is something that no amount of money in this world can buy. WV has brought me and my family together”

    Now my question to you is:
    What if this single mother saw your blog, got afraid, and den decided to not step in at all?

    I can give u dozens of stories. I was one of them; who wanted to quit when I first read a negative blog online that WV being a scam when I first join. I didn’t quit because someone told me “You buy a person’s opinion, you buy their lifestyle.” So I followed Robert Kiyosaki’s opinion on network marketing. Today, my entire family’s life is different financially and in so many other ways.

    But I’m not talking about everybody. I’m talking about helping one person and one family at a time. Helping people who wants to help themselves. Not people who wants get rich quick scheme, not people with a lottery mindset, not people who take things for granted and assumes everyone must help them, not people who refuses to takes responsiblility for their own failures and starts blaming everyone but themselves, but people who sincerely wants to help themselves but are not given the opportunity and the right vehicle. Not only financially, but things that are way more important den money.

    So Grace, if you see the negative side of something, u will definitely find it. If you u see the positive side of something, u will also find plenty of it. It all depends on which side and which team u are on. The negative or the positive. There’s always 2 sides to a coin. There are already too many negative people and negativity in this world, don’t be one of them. Don’t just be a number in this world. Be significant.

    • Hey Lucaz,

      Lovely story about this single mother. Question: how do we know this is true? On top of that, you didn’t tell us what WV did to change their family dynamics. And as far as I know, WV is a travel company, not a family counselling unit.

      I think network marketing is great. I really do. I just don’t think WV is a good company to join. Is that so hard to understand?

      I thought WV was great, till I met the reps, and till I realized how screwed up the system is – this need to recruit 4 people makes many DESPERATE to con-vince 4 others to join, regardless of their financial situation. (Read: http://workingwithgrace.wordpress.com/2014/02/12/world-ventures-losing-360-usd-wont-kill-anyone/).

      I’m making a positive difference to this world by ensuring people don’t fall prey to scams. Lucaz, don’t be a scammer. Be significant. ;)

    • Yup. That’s as far as you know about WorldVentures and den making prejudgement and warn everyone against it. It’s the same logic as looking at a person and making prejudgment about their life, their character and their personality even before getting to know that person. And den u warn everyone against that person. How would u like if someone did that to u?

      Anyway, base on ur reply, u just proved something about urself and proved that it’s gonna be a pointless argument. Whatever it is, the bottom line is that highly credible and successful people and organizations word against your opinion – Fact.

    • Hey Lucaz, I’ve written the entire story about meeting world ventures reps and finding out for myself how the company works. And my conclusion is that I don’t want to join, ever. My initial purpose of blogging about WV is to have those WV invites STOP. Later on, as people shared their stories of being conned into WV, I decided something must be done. When WV members like yourself leave such comments, I know I’m right to take a stand.

      Just read through the comments left by actual WV members who left the organization. I believe them. I also know that current WV members like yourself are pissed off that my blogposts are (perhaps) stopping you from recruiting people to be your ‘downlines’. Which I suppose is a fact too? ;) So yah. If you want to get offended, there’s nothing I can do. Whoever these “highly credible” people you claim support WV, well, perhaps they don’t exist.

    • Since we’ve already agreed that network marketing is an awesome industry given that highly credible and successful people such as kiyosaki, clinton, trump and many others supports, endorses, and even wrote books on them;

      Now, other den WV, find me any 5 network marketing companies that even get to be nominated by the prestigious Ernst & Young.

      Find me any 5 network marketing companies that breaks into DSN global 100 (the top 100 network marketing companies in the world )within 6 years.

      And also, find me any 5 network marketing companies that is featured in the INC 500 and numerous magazines

      Find me any 5 companies with names that also operates a non profitable charity organization. There’s a huge group of members as of right now in Chiang Mai are there for a voluntourism trip helping children while the ones who are saying WV is a scam are at home whining about how life is unfair, the rich is evil, wv is evil… Etc etc.

      Most importantly, find any member who actually tried out the product, went for a dreamtrip, and tell you that WV is a scam.

    • Hi Lucaz,

      That’s entirely lame. Why do I need to find you 5 companies? LOL. All these things that you have mentioned mean nothing to me.

      If you are capable of reading, go ahead and read the comments on this post. I have already said that ex-WV members have already come out to share that WV is a scam. That’s all I need to hear/know. If you want to, you can take up the issue with THEM, not me. LOL.

      Personally, I think WV members are pesky. Those who keep leaving comments here and ignoring my replies to them, are pesky too. I have already found out for myself that travel with WV is NOT cheaper than if I were to book trips myself. UNLESS I want to make a business of this, and keep conning people to join WV, and reap the rewards from recruiting people, I don’t want to be associated with WV. :)

      I never said WV is evil (perhaps it is) but I do think it is a scam. People who still want to join, can go ahead. I will eventually tell you “I told you so”. ;)

    • Ok , I have been reading this blog and all the comments both good and bad regarding WV for the last four months or so. Four months ago, a friend asked me to join WV. I actually gave it some thought. I asked my friend to see a contract…but there wasn’t one. If I am going to give a company money, I would like to see in writing exactly what I get in return. My friend told me that he’d have someone call me and talk to me….only then I’d understand all the great things WV has to offer. I said no. I don’t need a sales pitch, just some proven facts in writing.

      I asked to see the website so I could compare the costs of vacations to see if there actually is a savings and I was told again that someone could contact me and walk me through the process. Again I declined the offer because I’m actually smart enough to figure out if I’m going to save money o r not all on my own.

      Finally, I have patiently waited for a response to my very simple question….Has anyone ever taken a vacation through WV and actually saved money? How was your vacation and how much did you save? I have yet to receive a straight answer with proven savings. So for all you WV members complaining about the negativity WV has received on this blog…I would have joined if you had the proof there was actual savings involved with WV. I wasn’t interested in selling memberships but wanted simply to save a few dollars on my next vacation and you couldn’t provide documented proof there was any savings.

      I asked my friend to please call when he and his wife have taken their first vacation using WV to let me know how it was. If they felt they had saved some money and had a great time, I would think about joining. They were planing to take a vacation last November and I have yet to hear back from them. When we push for documented proof WV can save us money, WV members call us narrow minded and accuse us of giving WV a bad rap. Show me the proof I will save money on mynext vacation and I will join.

    • This is exactly what I have been demanding to see all along, Caroline. Unfortunately, no WV member has given me proof. I have gotten proof from them that trips with WV are more expensive – that I can vouch for.

    • I’ve been with WV for about 2 years but have never knew nor seen WV as providing cheap and budget travel. How did u get that perspective? But whatever it is, this is actually quite a good blog. Keep up the good work :)

    • That is how some reps in Singapore sell WV: holidays for cheap. I am asked why I want to pay more when I can join WV and save $. That is how the “idea” came about.

    • I see. But WV has never been about that. WV is an exclusive travel club providing unique experiences specially customized base on specific trips. I dunno how to explain it here but those who went for one of the dreamtrip will know what I mean. It’s called a dreamtrip, not a budget trip. There’s really no point in joining WV if u want cheap and budget; u can get it from so many places without even paying for a membership. The price is actually the last thing that WV actually focus on.

      There’s a reason why we were awarded the number 1 travel club in the world in 2013 by “World Travel Awards” – which is hailed by the Wallstreet journal as the travel industry equivalent to the oscars. And when Ersnt & Young do research, they don’t just ask around; they go deep down and turn the entire company upside down to research and audit u before they place their reputation on the line for u. It’s not sky drop down and u get awarded for things like that.

      Some reps will tell u WV is lousy or a scam is because they are given false expectations or by the ones preaching to them. Some reps quit is because they came in here expecting quick results and microwaved success and if they don’t even, they refuse to take responsibilities for their own actions and den blame the company, blame their upline, and blame everyone else but themselves. I’m sure u have met people like that. For example, some people wants to pursue a career in blogging but did not succeed after 2-3 months and they quit and they blame tt it’s too competitive, too “unrealistic”, or whatever reasons other den themselves when it is about their lack of willingness to learn and determination to persevere. I’m sure u got to where u are today nt because of luck. I believe to pursue a career as a blogger isn’t easy. It takes courage, determination and ownership responsibility so I’m sure u know what I mean.

    • WV has been mis-sold by reps. So yes, glad we agree on that.

      WV is not for single mums, with two kids, and trying to mend a broken family.

      WV is for the already well-heeled and itching for exclusive travel experiences.

      Those who have little regard for their existing friends and want to rope them all into WV, thus earning commissions, will join too. I disapprove of this, obviously. But there is nothing I can do about it.

    • Does ranking mean everything? With the exorbitant membership prices World Ventures are charging the commoners, and the expensive vacation trips which they claim to be much cheaper, of course the company can climb higher up in terms of ranking and total revenue. Sorry, but that is my humble opinion. Seeing the comments of so many World Ventures supporters just irk me. I hope the company won’t end up like Sunshine Empire, causing many people to lose their money.

    • There is no free lunch in this world. We have to work hard for everything. World ventures don’t even have a physical product. They are not selling cheap vacations, they are selling dreams which are fake. I hope people can stop throwing money away to World Ventures. It saddens me to see a single mum spending her money joining as a member of World Ventures.

  41. i agree, world ventures isnt a scam, but it is not the best way to make money. If you like having friends and excitement without making money, then this business is for you. There are some that earn good money from it. But a monthly fee is the worst part of it. I am in Amway. Amway is also a MLM company. Here’s the difference though. Amway is an $11.8B company, worldventures is only an $143M company. We have an A+ with the better business bureau, world ventures has chosen not to be accredited by them. We are regulated by the Federal Trade Commission, world ventures is not. We actually have our own line of products( Nutrition, Beauty, Cleaning, etc), world ventures just have travel clubs. We are Partnered with fortune 500 companies like APPLE, BESTBUY, HOME DEPOT, ZALES, UNDER ARMOUR, and 100 more, world ventures DOES NOT HAVE THESE IF ANY PARTNERSHIPS. We are paid on volume created through products rendered and not recruitment like world ventures. I could write forever, grace is right though, you guys have to do your research.

    • Blatant promotion of what you do huh? :P But I like how you sum it up in “having friends and excitement without making money”. I believe this happens in Amway too, if one is not a good salesperson.

  42. How much does it cost to start a company? Do you have bills every month to keep the business lights on? Does every company make money right out the gate? People are so deceptive of this company, when its a “business”. Take your 300 purse or shoes for example, the person that owns that company is essentially at the top and the makers at the bottom and others fill the gap, creating a pyramid. Only thing with network marketing is that you get out what you put in. Not everyone will make money, some will, if you look at it as an investment that could potentially gain you wealth, like a stock (which can crash and leave you with nothing or will $$$) people wouldn’t be so quick to judge. Just saying.

  43. Actually networking marketing companies are not illegal, and some of them in fact have great products eg. Nuskin, Nucerity etc. Networking marketing companies are very popular in the US. It’s just that companies like World Ventures, which don’t even have a physical product, is tarnishing the name of networking marketing companies. The dubious background of the company, and the irritating sales tactics used by the marketers are tarnishing the reputation of other network companies. Therefore, most people are skeptical about network marketing (MLM). Just my personal opinion, I’m not against network marketing, but I don’t like World Ventures too :X

  44. Hi
    I read all what u say about WV good and bad experience. I joined WV now almost 1 year. And i said it has been a great year for me. Well for me, WV not only give me income, but also family and friends internationally. I used to work in one of world IT company. I quit my job because i didnt have any more passion towards it and to chase my dream, to have my own business, especially when u already have kids, so u will prefer to have a more flexible hours works.
    I never imagine to be in this MLM business, but WV was introduced to me at the right time, where i was looking for business. I have a traditional shop, which it cost me lots for a business. So at that time, sure why not give it a try for a 360$ business. During my membership till now, i do earn income, and i do earn the passive income already. I dont always get cycle, but i do keep getting that residual. So for me, for a business that cost 360$ but can give me more than 200$ every month, wouldnt it be worthed.
    For those of you who doesnt want to be part of WV, i just think that its fine. Because the business or the club is just no for everybody.
    Its the same thing like you were offered a fitness membership, maybe for you, you see that you will enjoy and use the facilities, but for others, maybe they prefer something else.
    Or same way like u open a restaurant. Maybe for others, they will like it, but for me, i dont enjoy it. If it doesnt suit you, doesnt mean the restaurant is a scam right?
    I did search after i joined, and found about the WV scam n everything, i freaks me, but i didnt stop. And later i found out that it was a lie. It’s the same thing like every body who maybe think the product doesnt suit them, and they complain.
    I wasn’t a traveller, but ever since i joined WV, every month i travel. And what i can say, i have a great experience, not just for travelling, but i get many experience of dealing with people. Because its really different when u working together in this business, then u working with your colleague. In here all of us are biz partner, so u cant control them. in that way u’ll learn how to manage team, and u’ll learn many character of people. Some of my friends joined, and later on they resigned, but that doesnt mean they didnt become my friends. I think it just how we treat people.
    I have simple rules in my life. Just think positive no matter what happens. It doesnt mean, WV will be my final biz but i just take the + and make as a good experience, no matter what the result is.
    One thing i see that WV gives opportunities for those who in needs.
    Let make an example, if i want to open a restaurant, how much money would i need to invest? Millions of dollars right? but WV only 360$, and it just how u want to make it work.
    So its really up to u if the 360 u pay , to become how much money u wish to have, or just become expenses that u have to pay every single month.
    Even in every business, u have to pay monthly cost (electricity, water, employee). Let say u own a restaurant, and in the first -two months u havent reach the target of income u wish, will u close your restaurant?
    So back again, i think it simple how people see it. If they see this an opportunity, then just take it, but if dont just dont be someone dream stealer. Life is like flipping coins. its always a probability

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  46. Hi Grace, nice to reading this article. I’m not against network marketing, but I don’t like World Ventures, there is no free lunch in the world :p

    • Hi Shyeu,

      Yes I agree. I support companies like Tupperware. But I really don’t like the way World Ventures is run – especially the part about having people recruit 4 new members.

  47. Hi Grace!

    Glad to read your post before I reveal them my credit card number! In fact I just came back from their huge seminar at Chinatown area where the founder and co-founders were there too!

    Initially I have no idea what this is about as my friend keep saying it is a great “investment” you should look into it without telling more about it; I guess he wants more people to convince me?

    As what Dan said in previous comment, they showed you all the videos and examples and the atmosphere was great! I almost got brainwashed to sign up immediately as they suggested to “lock” your position ASAP so you would not be at the base of pyramid.

    My instinct tell me to think twice when I filled up the credit card information so I decided to hold this back at the very last second!

    Now….after google and read all your posts and comments in the blogs abt WV, I just glad I DID NOT complete the form, and I know I can go to bed now without any regrets.

    Cheers!

    P/S: Keep up your good work! Even though if its only you against the WV world, you saved another person’s $361!

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  49. You’re entitled to your opinion. And no hard feeling towards anyone who doesn’t want to join but your stance is a negatively biased considering your judging just by how some memebers have portrayed it to you. You never have to travel with anyone. Other members may take the same trips but they’re not on top of you. They’re simply in the same hotel or resort as you. Along with hundreds of other nonmembers. The trouble I have mainly with your blog is that this is what people see when they google us, you’re giving the company a bad rep when u don’t even have any experience IN the company. I’m so happy I joined, it’s one of the best decisions I’ve ever made. I’m not forcing it down anyone’s throat, and there are more people who haven’t been as successful as I have been with it. But when you post blogs like this you could potentially be making someone change their mind about an opportunity they otherwise would have taken and trust me it had changed many lives– not all but many! I’m sorry that some members seem to be spamming you. The team I work with really does not encourage tactics like that. But that doesn’t mean we are a bad company. And for the record- not a pyramid scheme! It would be illegal if so…. Thanks for your time :)

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  51. At the end of the day, joining world ventures is a choice or an opportunity some might call it. It has nothing to do with whether it’s good or bad. There is not one business in this world which has all the good and none the bad. No doubt that there are some who make it and some don’t. The only difference is in the person itself. Products either through network marketing or your conventional business are just products. It’s the individuality of each person that decides what is good for them or not.

    Businesses in network marketing rakes in billions of dollars every year in revenue. Even if you’re just an investor, you would very well know to invest in a company like that. Unless of course for people like me and the other 80% of the population who would like to just enjoy a small chunk of the pie because we do not have the financial prowess of Robert Kiyosaki or Warren Buffet (whom by the way have bought a few network marketing companies themselves), we do network marketing to leverage on each other and work as a group. I do agree that because it’s a peoples business, there are many who tend to do things the sly way and end up cheating others.

    As to it being a pyramid scheme, first define what is pyramid scheme. In short, its where all the people up there before you make all the money from you and you end up getting the short end of the stick. Now, i’m having a hard time to believe that any conventional business is NOT a pyramid scheme unless some one can come out and say “Hey, i earn more than my boss or CEO even though i’m just an employee!”. so unless you are earning more than your boss, whatever work that you’re doing in any form of employment, you’re in a pyramid scheme of a company.

    So, in the end, it’s not about whether network marketing is good or bad, clean or dirty but it’s a personal choice. If you don’t like it, then don’t let those people force you to do it. If you feel it’s for you, by all means have an open mind to see where it can go for you. Whoever that said worldventures is the cheapest compared to the rest, they are just trying to make a profit out of you. However, if they tell me it’s another option for me to choose from, then yes, i would have a look at it. And, if i get paid for sharing it in an affiliate way, even better cause expedia, skyscanner, or even travelocity has not given me a single cent.

    To those who are reading this, i hope you will read it with an open mind and accept that everyone has a choice.

    • How are conventional businesses pyramid schemes as well? You get asked to PAY a company before it agrees to HIRE you? *rolls eyes*

    • In any business that you do, don’t you have to fork out some form of investment costs? Be it your renovation costs, your legal costs, your workers salary, your products that you are either selling or producing, your raw materials? Well so you are paying other companies as well to start up your business by getting their products too. I have no qualms if you feel conventional business is the way to go as I also have a conventional business of my own apart from network marketing. Anyways, I like your feistiness and I think I’m actually getting attracted to your form of sarcasm! 😃😃

    • First, you talk about companies and employees. Then, after my comment, you talk about businesses and investment costs. Can you just stay the course?

      Because you are not making any sense, I won’t indulge you with more of my “feistiness” and “sarcasm”. Have a good day.

    • Forgive me if you feel I’m not making any sense to you. I do admit I’m no blogger and not a good writer so I do veer out of course. In network marketing you are not hired as an employee. It’s a business decision that you decide to partner up with a company. You want to shift yourself from the quadrant of an employee to a business owner. And with that said, of course you can do it not just through network marketing but also through the conventional way. The only difference is your purchasing power. Do you have the capability to acquire that much of stock?

      Then again you might say what has it got to do with a pyramid scheme by being an employee? I’m not referring to having to pay or not as like what I said, it’s a business choice. But the hierarchy of any organisations are pyramid itself with the top earning the most while the bottom people do the work and are paid. You are a blogger and you earn your keep on what you do. There is no one above to override how much you make.

      I would love more questions from you to rebut what you feel is nonsensical about what I have written. And yes, feistiness and sarcasm are always welcomed. Thank you. 😊😊

    • It is actually a mistaken belief that one needs a lot of capital in order to start a business. Read books like ‘The $100 Startup’. I take offense at WV’s pyramid (not any other company’s ok?) only because they have this 1-gets-4 requirement to waive fees, that makes reps DESPERATE to con 4 friends into joining. On top of that, travel is cheaper OUTSIDE of WV (proven by a WV rep). So then that begs the question “Why would anyone need WV?”

      I am OK with MLM and NM companies which work on a simple basis: you need my product, I sell it to you. Whether it is face cream or a slimming supplement. It’s fine. If I say no, I don’t need your product, the rep moves on. In WV, nope… you attend a seminar, you are pressured to sign up (WHO CAN SAY NO TO TRAVEL?) and they even tell you things like ‘Sign up now or end up at the bottom of the pyramid’.

      No need for “feistiness and sarcasm”, just reason and common sense.

  52. Love people who comment on this like they know what they are talking about!!! I am a member and have never been happier because of the time Im putting into contacting friends and family and getting other areas started has been a blast. To think that people that are skeptical are the ones that never do much with their lives drives me! I love reading this information and driving around in my BMW while I am taking my 4th vacation in one year! Yes keep posting while I enjoy my sun! If you read this and want to know more I will be happy to help you get you off your feet and I will come and help you do it along with my wife! Great experiences for people who jump all in!

    • Hey Derek, hope you didn’t write this while driving your BMW or you’d have crashed! It is unrealistic to expect that everyone can quit their jobs and drive around in BMWs. Only those at the very TOP in the WV structure benefit from leveraging on all the others who joined. “Great experiences [NOT] for [ALL] people who jump all in!”

    • Well i think Derek is right some how…. he helps people to JOIN WV and he gets richer and others just getting sucked. Those MLM people are NOTHING but a LEECH.

      you know what the LEECH does? sucking others blood and make them think its still great while their $$ and times get wasted in WV.

      I think Derek thats REALLY GREAT!!!

      Thanks for the info.

    • Grace,

      Everyone in every walks of life is just trying to craft out something for themselves. You have done it in your own way. Let other choose what they decide. There is no need for such a defamation on what the company does or operates. Respect their decisions and not make one for them. Since you are so influential, why not you bring it to the law if you are dead sure that it is really a scam?

      I hope you wont get into trouble with the law for slandering on this company.

      Or probably you wouldn’t even dare to stand up for your ” 5 Reasons Why I Refuse To Join World Ventures”

    • Hi Thinker, would you by any chance be called ‘Alvin’? ;)http://workingwithgrace.wordpress.com/2014/03/03/threatened-by-a-world-ventures-rep/

      How do you know I am not exploring ways to “bring it to the law”?

      OF COURSE I will stand up for this post and for every other WV post I have written. Are you kidding me? This isn’t slander. This is factual reporting of what I see happening.

      If you don’t like what you see here, buzz off. Don’t be Alvin the pesky fly.

    • Thanks for the compliment, Weiting. Mine’s an award-winning blog and it has nothing to do with WV. Yes, exposing scams can be kinda boring. And handling rude WV reps like yourself can be extremely tiring. Do you think that tiny little bit of extra traffic is worth it? NO! Those thank you messages from people who are grateful that I am writing about WV IS. Have a good day. :)

    • I think you’ve missed out some punctuation right there. And I don’t know what exactly you mean. I am capable of sourcing for the best deals myself. No need for WV. Thanks!

  53. Hmmm, not true Grace… I joined them and I find that they’re just trying to be the next big thing in travel and their offers are bona fide. If you don’t know how to utilize their tools properly chances are, you may not get the best of it. I didn’t join for the business side of things honestly, and since my monthly fees translate into dollars that I can spend on my trip, (including the money I paid to join) I’m pretty pleased with it.

    I would have joined it, even if the “get 4 people to waive your membership fees” thing didn’t exist. It’s just an incentive to get you to spread the word. 60 dollars isn’t very expensive and you pay as much if not more on insurance plans that you’re never going to recover unlike what Dreamtrips offer you.

    The reason these guys can get you these amazing rates is because they do a lot of tie-ups with organisations like Singapore Airlines. There were so many times I bought a deal or planned something myself only to realise the hotel room was thoroughly misrepresented in size and cleanliness and various other factors. I joined because I like the travel destinations/travel packages they had, however I too hate traveling in groups. I like doing things solo- and I found out that they cater to this as well. If you can find something cheaper, they pay you back 150%, like mentioned by a few others here and it’s the truth- they do. You’re probably not going to believe me because I’m a rep, but no matter. It sounded like a fun idea to me, and I’m going wherever I please at the cheapest rate- so, I’m a happy camper.

    • Great! I’ve heard so much from awful reps hurling insults at me that I’m really happy for you, that you are a “happy camper”. If joining WV has truly benefited you, all I shall say is Good For You! Perhaps it is those who join WV for the “business side of things” that come to regret it. And who are so pissed at me for uploading this blogpost. Oh well. *shrugs*

    • Thanks, “John”. Now all my blog readers know how civilized World Ventures reps are. I don’t know if you are human or animal.

      Anyone else wants to join World Ventures? Be my guest. :) Just be careful not to offend existing WV members or they “will fuck you”.

  54. Grace .. Thank god I saw this Blog of yours .. girl you’re a life saver ! :) .. Regretfully I’ve decided to join but ..was only stalled given the fact .. I’ve neither the time to join the trips (college student) nor the money(enough to join barely enough to maintain it for long) should i fail to herd in 4 guys for WV .so again thk god for u .. . I’m not a Wv fanatic so no worries :D i won’t bite . .. Anyway ~ after reading this blog(a clash between the fanatics and the rational) .. I’ve came to the conclusion to give this whole notion of joining the benefit of doubt( i thk i will decline the offer jus maybe but still significantly better than my state of mind before reading this) and hence … my utmost gratitude to u miss..whoever u r .. watever you do..u got a fan in me :)

    • Hi Thristan,

      This blogpost is just to caution my blog readers and friends. Since I don’t know you, it does not matter to me whether you join WV or not. But like you have mentioned, please be careful of the “fanatics” and the radical ones. Those people are borderline crazy. All the best in whatever you decide to do. :)

  55. Hi Grace!
    I would like to share my experience here. Last month I was approached by a friend for a meeting (yeah, conned me out for a “yumcha session” *D’uh*). He was with his WV senior and the brainwashing session lasted for 20 minutes. Here are some conclusion i made:
    1) They actually purchase the hotel & travel package in BULK! Which is how they managed to get a so called “cheaper price” for your so called “dream trip”. Which is also why flight tickets are not included in their package. (Airline wont give you a cheaper price even if you book the whole plane, its the way airline do business).
    2) There are 2 sides of the whole WV thingy, 1 is the legitimate travel packages and another 1 is the money making parts. The first part is just to justify the second part as the second part is actually a pyramid scheme, which also happens to be illegal in most of the countries)
    3) The cheaper price provided to their members as a result of bulk purchasing aren’t gotta making the cash rolling into WV’s bank account. So the actual money making machine is the pyramid part.
    4) Ever heard of BOSS Venture? its running the exact same model as WV. BV just replace the travel package with online shopping mall where you can buy things at discounted price. Oh, btw, the price of all the items are jacked up). The different between BV and WV is that WV incur a monthly charges so that you would need to recruit 4 members in order to waive the monthly fee.

    Below are what I told my friend:
    1) “I saw what happen to other salesperson from other MLM, they lost their friend, people started avoiding them, people feel disgusted seeing them posting information of their product on social network.. and I don’t want to be one of them.”
    2) “you are not the first MLM salesperson to approach me. Before you there were Amway,Agape,Vemma,Boss Venture,Cosway *bla bla bla*. If i were to succeed through MLM, I would have done it long before WV being introduced in Malaysia.
    3) “I like to travel in small group (we should high 5 for this). Journey are made with the people you travel with, not the number of people. Asking me to travel with other 100++ people from around the world? Nah~~
    4) “As a backpacker, I would settle for a small backpacker inn, which comes much more cheaper than the “cheaper” 4/5 stars WV would provide. Traveling to experience the scene and culture of places which are foreign to us, what would you get me in 4/5 stars hotel? plasma tv with Discovery’s Travel and Living channel? I just need a place where i can sleep!!”
    5) “Why does WV need to have 2 parts for it’s business? Will the company make profit by just selling their travel package?
    If yes, why does the company charges their member monthly fee?What, we have to pay fee so that we can buy something from them? What am I? Spongebob?
    if no, whoala,pyramid scheme! ”
    6) As my friend were left speechless, I told him that “Come back to me when you make $3000++ per month effortlessly. If you managed to do so, it still doesn’t prove me wrong, it just prove that you are 1 of the few gifted people who are very determined. And as a friend, i would like to congratulate you for that. And, I still wont regret for not joining WV.”

    In the end, i didn’t sign for anything and both of them gave me a name card which i rejected politely.
    WV is just a company which uses a legit business to cover up for their pyramid money game. They are exploiting the legal loopholes. Expect to see more and more of this type of pyramid scheme to appear in the future.

    And Grace, thanks for writing this article, hopefully people will start reading this before signing the paper. =)

    • Thanks for sharing, Ian. I appreciate it very much.

      WV reps have verbally abused me, made legal threats, and even threatened to rape me over this article. (I’m not kidding. Check out one of the recent comments on this post)

      I know I am doing something right when people like you step in and provide your take on WV.

      [Aside: You know what, WV reps, you guys have really pissed me off big time. I will not tolerate abuse from a bunch of conmen, rapists and pimps. You guys should be very ashamed of yourselves indeed!]

  56. hi Grace, I happened upon your blog after my best friend in the world called me and asked if i could do some quick research on vacationsooner.com. Same company…. I already sent him the link to your blog. I think the WV reps are a joke (well, except for the criminal talking about rape) but i agree with them in this: WV much like cocaine, is not for everybody…inspite of the fact that some ppl doing it think they are having a great time.

    i think your blog is inspiring. so much so that it inspired me to book a weekend in Chicago. Round trip flight and hotel for…wait for it…$375US. Car rental is an additional $28US per day. No reps, seminars or aggressive sales people. im inspired to take my friend with me and buy 2 copies of “$100 dollar start up” for the flight. And the change from what we would have spent on 2 WV “partnerships”? PARTY,PARTY,PARTY! lol, thanks

  57. I was apart of worldventures. I left because I felt like most people weren’t being 100% honest. I did like the company but a half truth is a complete lie in my opinion and I couldn’t be associated with that. They tried to make you believe you have to b a certain way only to be successful.. I don’t believe in success by convincing people to do something. My friend who did sign me on though was awesome and I believe she can make a it far. As far as a pyramid scheme I wouldn’t call it that, because it’s not a scam it does work and someone in the business that a person signs on can surpass anyone above them. In a pyramid scheme the ones at the top will always make more than anyone else. But this just wasn’t for me and felt almost cult like. Like they made it seem like if someone tells you no that they are not your friend.. it was just weird. I don’t knock the business though.

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