Interview with Shayna Toh – Composer/Lyricist/Author of ‘Firefly in the Light’ (Musical)

Shayna Toh

1) What inspired you to write and compose?

Writing has always been something present in my life, I guess – I was in Yamaha’s eight-year music composition course since I was six, and I’d always been writing – be it songs, poems, stories, or plays. I’ve attended various writing camps and workshops and I went through a playwriting mentorship when I was 14-15 years old, so the idea of combining writing and composing music seemed very natural to me.

Writing has also always remained so intriguing to me because of the wonder of bringing a whole new world previously only existing in your mind, to life. I’ve always thought about the idea of reversal of fates and writing “Firefly in the Light” has gotten me to develop and explore this concept, to a greater extent.

2) When did you write/compose “Firefly in the Light” and what are the messages you want to send out to young adults in Singapore?

I conceptualized my pop musical, “Firefly in the Light” sometime early this year and I’ve been working from March to September on the twelve songs. I did the script sometime in September. The message I want to convey through “Firefly in the Light” would be to always stay true to what you believe in, and to never forget who you are and where you came from.

3) How do you manage your time between school and your passion for music and theatre?

I try my best to manage my time but I’m still trying to figure that out, honestly. I’m in Junior College right now – school is really demanding, and sometimes papers or projects crop up that throw my schedule off, but I try to prioritize and focus on either “Firefly in the Light” or my schoolwork at different times. For example, a few weeks ago during my exam week in school, I focused on my studies, but now I’m back, finishing up the orchestrations and putting everything together.

4) How does your family support you through the challenges you face between school and your passion?

They have been very open about this idea of a musical, which I’m very grateful for, but also they have allowed our house to be turned topsy turvy! We use the house for rehearsals, given that this is an indie production. The dining table has recently been shifted out of the dining hall, which is now used as a rehearsal stage, and there are weird markings and taped arrows on the floor and my parents are okay with that, I think!

5) How do you see yourself contributing to Singapore’s art scene in the future and your hopes for Singapore’s arts community?

What I hope for are new musicals, which are Singapore originals in addition to the international productions that are constantly being brought in. Singapore’s arts community is becoming increasingly vibrant, and I would be honored to help contribute to it!

[Tickets available at Sistic at S$25 - Event date: 15 Nov, 8pm]


Book by Shayna Toh. Music and Lyrics by Shayna Toh.
Directed by Tabitha Loh.

Firefly In The Light, a new pop musical, tells the story of Wendy, a beautiful and talented teenage school-girl, who knows she is destined for great things. In her shadow, is her childhood “friend”, Jake, unassuming and insecure – who (finally) finds his strength in Wendy. Beckoned by the brightness of a future in a city thousands of miles away, Wendy leaves her small hometown to follow her dreams.

A protective mother, her elusive husband in the entertainment business, a shrewd artist manager, amidst adoring friends and fans alike – all wittingly or unwittingly direct the destinies of Wendy and Jake as they search for themselves, love and success, finding themselves treading on similar grounds but taking very different paths, not once but twice in their young lives.

With a collection of freshly minted songs ranging from rambunctious up-tempo pieces to soft ballads, this Musical, to be staged in the historic Chamber of The Arts House, promises the audience an intimate experience with the young, budding cast and musicians as they spin this tale of youthful hopes, discoveries and pain into an ending.

Shayna Toh, a seventeen-year old Junior College student, has been studying and composing music since she was six. With a love for theatre as well as pop music, she is also an avid writer, having had several stories published since 2008 and in 2013, a children’s book (on urban nature deficit) published.

Shayna made her first foray into the theatre scene at eleven, in 2008, when her script “Where Your Dream Takes You” directed by Singapore Repertory Theatre’s (SRT) Director, Michael Corbidge, was performed by actors from SRT and MediaCorp at the DBS Arts Centre.
“Firefly in the Light” is Shayna’s debut full-length pop musical.

Tabitha Loh, twenty-two, was first trained at ten, under The London Academy of Music and Dramatic Art Speech and Drama Program. Completing a year under LASALLE’s Performing Arts Foundation Course and a degree in Theatre and Performance, Tabitha has worked on assistant directorships including Peter Handke’s, Kaspar (2011) with director Natalie Hennedige, Fences (2012) an original opera by Dr John Sharpley and Robert Yeo, directed by Chandran K Lingam. She directed M. Lee’s Serangoon Sunset (2012) presented at the APB Drama Schools Festival, Taiwan.

CrowdFundHerLive! and the Benefits of Offline Crowdfunding


[Dr Julie Goldstein has been featured in an earlier interview here. In this 2nd interview, she shares about the exciting phenomenon of offline crowdfunding!]

1) Tell us more about Media Particle / Mothernist’s role in the CrowdFundHerLive! event and what was most memorable for you as a panelist?

Media Particle is a Singapore based company, that homes in on psychology-driven content media and services for the Web, and is Media Particle’s first vertical; a video platform that works as a resource for women and men, but mainly mothers aged 25-45 who lead busy lives, and want to feel integrated doing the things they love and being in their different roles with ease.

For CrowdFundHerLive! Integrated, I partnered with Woomentum, that runs an offline crowdfunding program, and suggested a themed session on motherhood and entrepreneurship. Media Particle/Mothernist’s role is always to promote online tools, in this case to facilitate lives of aspiring parents who want to venture into entrepreneurship, and feel more enabled to do so, no matter at what stage in their lives.

Woomentum believes that crowdfunding is a space in which women can play by their own rules; Mothernist feels aligned with this message and wanted to bring as much awareness as possible to different ways in which women can feel a sense of independence, belonging and empowerment, with the use of crowdfunding to promote business being one of them.

The second part of my role was to shed light on women feeling integrated when they are doing what they love, even though taking care of a household and children may feel overwhelming at times. Most importantly, Mothernist’s role entailed adding a psychological angle to the benefits of women in entrepreneurial roles. There has been a radio show on the WOW club with Michelle Martin in which I talk about this more extensively, and I added some insights on this being a panelist on the night itself.

Most memorable as a panelist was to see how different women engage in business, some do not smile and I took a lesson or two away. I also felt that seeing the candidates rise up to the challenges ‘live’, getting brand ambassadors, and raising funds was incredibly inspiring. It was such an honour to be among all the inspiring women that made up the night, including the crowd.

2) How does CrowdFundHerLive! work, and what are the benefits of participating in offline crowdfunding? 

The technicalities of the CrowdFundHerLive are part of Woomentum’s program, which is staged in phases to get a candidate ready to pitch their business. Not all businesses are crowdfundable, and so there’s a vetting process as well as a lead up to the event itself in which candidates receive guidance and input on their preparations. During the evening, candidates get support from the crowd, and there is a lot of interaction among all parties involved. The crowd gets an opportunity to pledge and show allegiance to a business.

Benefits of offline crowdfunding are the community feel, and the way the crowd is harnessed, that is not the same as campaigns which are run online. In addition, one cannot underestimate the more personal guidance candidates receive through the program which is experientially extremely rewarding.

3) What is psychological mediation and why is it important in business?

Psychological mediation simply put means to understand the relations between the variables. So to understand how an entrepreneurial business is run, one might ask several questions such as who are the key partners, what is the value proposition of the business, what are the customer segments, what is the cost structure, etc. The mediation part would be to understand how all these parts hang together, and how they relate to the person managing the business.

A business owner might be very passionate about her business, but have the relationship between customer segments and value proposition not entirely worked out because she is very creative and has not thought about the more practical approach to her products. It’s understanding the challenges and fitting them to the individual/entrepreneur and circumstances that matter in business, which set the stage for further growth.

Moreover, psychological mediation has played an important role in more corporate spaces with small innovative businesses, such as those coming out of the Hub Singapore. We are talking along the lines of having the psychological support to build on skills such as taking perspective, feel integrated and enabled to multi-task and work at various levels. Being an entrepreneur is extremely challenging and often likened to being on a roller coaster ride. As an entrepreneur, one needs to be able to stand strong, and weather the storms and multiple challenges of running one’s own business.

Find out more here:

4) There is an increasing number of Mumpreneurs in Singapore – which are the most pressing challenges these women face in their entrepreneurship journey and what are some useful tips you have for them? 

An increasing number but sadly not enough of them yet! A lot of women do not feel enabled to start their own business, either because of funds, comfort, and the feeling of conflict between their multiple roles, when for instance child rearing may be suggested to be the most important task, and all else should be put aside. There needs to be strong push or pull factors involved, and strong emancipation for women to step into entrepreneurship. By push factors I mean being unemployed or unsatisfied with work conditions and by pull factors I mean the desire to be your own boss, financial benefits, or the desire to achieve a better work-life balance. Such factors can be strong influencers.

The challenges that women face are the interrole conflict that Mothernist often talks about, meaning that there are incompatible or conflicting pressures from work and family, such as job-family role strain, work-family interference, and work-non-work role conflict. Second would be the myths that women have to combat, such as that women are still often seen as not wanting to own a high growth businesses, or as not having the right educational backgrounds, not being able to draw up business plans, and their interests not being attractive to venture capitalists. Third is the access to capital to start a new business.

Tips are to take support that’s out there to start a business. Understand your motivations from the start, and then move slowly, become a member of a community of like-minded people, there are plenty of co-working spaces in Singapore that are not costly, and where you get coaching and mentoring included in your package, find organizations and support groups that can help you network, grow your business, and support your womanhood and motherhood all at the same time.

Find a therapist who can help you in the domain of work, I have personally helped women get to where they want to be, and I find its a journey that they have been happy to take, despite the challenges. Work on resilience and integration, and build yourself up (just as you would your business or your family) by taking small steps in the right direction. Last, and particularly for those women who want to be ‘superwomen’ – success is the exception that confirms failure; don’t be scared to fail, you will if you want to be successful.

5) How else is Mothernist enabling women in the working world?

Mothernist is a video platform and resource where women can find short videos and articles, as well as events and workshops on various topics in the domain of work, and work-life integration. [Example of a video on Mothernist: Breathing Technique to Relieve Stress at Work]

Mothernist has also expanded on its services, and is offering online and offline psychology and therapy services at No7 Grange Road (Somerset), working in synergy with Fertility Coaching Asia. Please visit the website or write in from for further info.


‘Top Gemstones for Investment’ – A Workshop by Hiranya Tangsubkul

Top Gemstones for Investment

Last weekend, I attended the ‘Top Gemstones for Investment’ workshop, which was held ahead of the Singapore Jewellery & Gem Fair 2014 (happening on 23rd – 26th October at Marina Bay Sands). At this insightful workshop, Ms Hiranya Tangsubkul from Thailand shared with us valuable tips regarding investing in these precious gemstones. Anya (as she is more fondly known) is the Head of Design and Business Development at ABC Jewellery & TREZ Jewellery (Thailand), and author of Diamond & Gemstone and Gemstones Handbook.

I also got to speak with her after the workshop and find out which pieces she holds close to her heart:

Grace and Anya

One piece of jewellery which never fails to make her smile is her engagement ring:

Anya's ring


At this workshop, Anya was candid about how gemstone jewellery offers a type of “wearable investment” but has a limited number of trading markets, poor liquidity and also requires a fair amount of experience to trade profitably.

Hence, here is your crash course on investing in gemstones…


3 Things To Keep In Mind When Investing In Gemstones:

1) Constantly refresh your gemstone market knowledge, at trade shows for instance.

2) Get a matching pair (e.g. earrings and bracelet) for better resale value. Build value through strategic purchasing and jewellery setting.

3) Know that this is a long-term investment which could span 5 years or more, and sometimes extend to beyond one generation.


What Does Gemstone Investment Entail?

1) Investors keep jewellery in case other investments fail. If it is necessary, he will let go of the lower quality piece first.

2) Prize quality over quantity.

3) Be patient. Only buy if you can find top quality gemstones at reasonable prices, e.g. if there is a new mine find.

4) Professional setting of the stones can make it more valuable.

5) Take care not to put pieces next to one another to prevent scratches.

6) Don’t expect to resell at retail price unless you sell to the end consumer or auction houses. Jewellers have to get their cut.


Top 3 Gemstones For Serious Investors:
*Tip: Don’t buy colorless diamonds now because prices have been fluctuating and because of the incidence of synthetic diamonds, which can be made in any size and quality!

1) Blue and Pink Diamonds

2) Rubies – If you can get top quality rubies for a good price, go ahead and buy. *Those which are larger in size are usually of lower quality.

3) Emeralds


The Top 3 Heirloom Gemstones:

1) Blue Sapphire

2) Colored sapphire: *Pink Sapphire can be purchased at lower prices outside the auction house

3) Garnet


General Questions To Ask When Buying Gemstones:
1) Has it been treated? Is the treatment permanent?

2) How do I take care of this piece?

3) Where is it from?

Anya shared with us about her Aquamarine Gemstone purchase story. She bought 30 stones from a person she has been trading with for a very long time – issued him a cheque and all. But she later found out that those were not gemstones; they were made of glass. Moral of her story: Look at the stone, then the certificate, and see if they match. If you have any doubt at all, don’t go for it.


Final Tips:

Go for quality, not quantity.

Jewellery with a nice design and a beautiful name tend to get sold faster.

Jewellery setting is important, e.g. the surrounding stones must make the center stone look nicer.

{ 2 Samples From The Workshop }

Blue Sapphire

28.26carat Natural Untreated Blue Sapphire from Sri Lanka

Retail Price: S$560,000 – S$580,000


9.17 carat Fancy Intense Yellow Diamond Ring: S$380,000

Find these pieces and more at the Singapore Jewellery & Gem Fair 2014 (23rd – 26th October at Marina Bay Sands), which will showcase over 2 billion dollars worth of gemstones and jewellery! Fashion jewellery and synthetic diamonds are rejected, so you are ensured of quality here. There is also the GIT on-site laboratory service, to give you peace of mind, and workshops to attend so you can learn more about GIA and GIT certification.

*Tip: Put the gemstones side-by-side under the same lighting when you are making comparisons.

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Organic Gluten & Wheat Free Pancakes at Real Food


Felt like having banana pancakes for breakfast on Sunday, so I did. My love for banana pancakes goes way back to the time I was in kindergarten.

The kindergarten cook made the most delicious banana pancakes, which I devoured during teatime on those days when it was on the menu.

I have yet to find banana pancakes as good as those she made from anywhere else. :(

Anyhow, those from Real Food are organic on top of being wheat and gluten free (don’t they mean the same thing?)

The pancake is at least 1cm thick and quite fluffy. However, there are only 4 miserable slices of banana on top.

There is just a small amount of jam yet the tartness of the jam is very refreshing and I wished there was more of it!

The small chunk of warm banana in the middle came as a surprise.

Overall, I think it was good enough, as a gluten free pancake. But I won’t order it again, when there are better pancakes elsewhere. :D

*This place is my fav for noodles though. Their fried vermicelli and dumpling noodles (dry) are both very good. Ask for the chilli too. ;)


Original Pancakes: Organic gluten and wheat free fluffy pancakes with banana, organic fruit jam and agave. Waiting time is at least 15 minutes.

{ Real Food at Killiney }

Adidas-Inspired Photoshoot with Maku Store Singapore Backpack :D

Maku Store Singapore

I got inspired by an Adidas campaign on my recent trip to Thailand. So I came back and went for this photoshoot on a whim. The backpack is from Maku Store Singapore. It was what I brought with me to Bangkok for my shopping trip. :)

It’s super roomy, with two side pockets for waterbottles and/or a foldable umbrella. In this next picture, you see my 1-litre Nalgene waterbottle, which doesn’t usually fit into many side pockets of backpacks ‘cos of its size. No trouble here; fits snugly and doesn’t fall out even during a jumpshot:

Maku Store Singapore

I’d initially thought the design was rather awkward: what’s that topmost compartment for? Then I realized the sheer genius behind it.

With backpacks, it is usually a hassle to unbuckle it all and release the straps before you can reach your passport, sunglasses, tissues, notebook, etc. But I can put all these into the topmost compartment and get them out any time I want! It’s spacious and just one zip separates me from what I want to get out of my backpack.

Maku Store Singapore

Check out Maku Store at #03-20 Bugis Junction for backpacks, wallets, totes, handbags, tees, luggage, and more! *Get 15% discount by showing that you are a fan of my facebook page!

[Lots of thanks to my dear photographer friend, Max Clyne, from Max Clyne At Work Pte Ltd, for braving the rain and lightning for this photoshoot! You're the most professional, talented and obliging photographer I know! I promise not to put your life in similar danger again! :D]

Personalized Items From Summur & Co

Personalized Passport Cover

I’ve always wanted to have my own range of bags with my name on them! Super cool, don’t you think? I’ve taken one step forward with smaller, personalized items from Summur & Co. In the picture above, you see the new passport cover I had for my recent overseas trip.

I love the ‘handmade’ feel to these personalized items – if you take a closer look, you’ll realize that the letters are not all sitting on a straight line, because they were hand-stamped. I got to witness this in action; every letter is stamped on with the help of a hammer. And of course, you get to choose your favorite charm. :)

Also, I got a special sky blue laptop sleeve with my name on it. The sleeve is buttery smooth and the colors available cannot be found elsewhere. The owner of this online store also sources for the materials, colors and does some of the design work herself! On top of that, instead of ‘outsourcing’ the personalization work to other people, she ensures she hand-stamps them all, often working late into the night!

*When possible, place your orders early (e.g. for birthday gifts for friends), so she has ample time to personalize each item with love!

Got a Love charm for my laptop sleeve, ‘cos I love my work! :D

Personalized Laptop Sleeve

I also have a canary yellow notebook with my name and a princess charm on it. :D Yes, I’m supposed to be a blogger and I can take notes using my Evernote app, but I’m still old school like that. A teacher once told me that “The faintest ink is better than the best memory” and I make sure I carry a notebook around with me. :)

Personalized Notebook

Why yellow? ‘Cos it is bright and cheery and makes me happy looking at it!

The next time you are getting a gift for a friend, don’t go for store-bought items. Personalize one. So the person cannot say to you “I own that item already”. It happened to me this year – I bought a book and a tee for a girlfriend’s birthday. She replied saying that she has already read that book (what are the odds?!) and the tee’s too small (I’d already gotten it in the biggest size available). Oh dear. I’m definitely getting her something personalized next year!

If you’d like to make a purchase from Summur & Co, here are the prices of items I’ve featured above, and a discount code for your shopping:


Passport Cover (rose pink) – S$15

Laptop Sleeve (sky blue) – S$28

Notebook (yellow) – S$19

Get 5% discount using this code ‘GRACE05′ at Summur & Co

Chatuchak Market Map: 2014 (Jatujak)

This map was exactly what I was looking for online before I headed to Bangkok last week. Unfortunately, I didn’t find a suitable (and updated) one online. So I picked up a map when I was at Chatuchak, and have scanned it for you! :) (Leave me a comment if it’s useful for you)

Map of Chatuchak:

Chatuchak Map

Chatuchak Map

The whole market is kind of like a maze, but if you work your way through it systematically, you’ll be able to cover most (if not all) of the market.

If you are heading there anytime soon, do note that it can get quite hot in the afternoon, PLUS there is always the possibility of sudden rain. So ensure you have water, a handheld fan (if you cannot stand the heat) and a poncho or umbrella just in case it rains.

*I’m sounding like a nag but do carry your backpack in front of you and avoid carrying thin/flimsy totes which pickpockets can easily slash with a penknife.

Happy Shopping! ~

100 Doraemon Secret Gadgets Expo: JB City Square – Now Till 4th Jan

I went to City Square last week to check out the 100 Doraemon Secret Gadgets Expo. I have been to the one in Hong Kong some time back, but I still enjoyed this expo in JB (actually, I enjoyed this one more than the one in HK! LOL!).

Located on level 1 of City Square mall (a favorite of Singaporeans), it is easily accessible via public transport into JB; very near the checkpoint. Or if you’d like to drive there, it’s a bit of a roundabout to get to the carpark but still fairly easy to find.

Tickets are at RM25 for adults and RM15 for kids. Really young children and senior citizens get to enter for free; do check at the ticketing counter. You can buy tickets when you get to the venue. The best part is, there is free re-entry on the same day. You get a stamp on your arm when you leave the exhibition so you can head for some food and come back again! :D

Beyond the exhibits, there is a gift shop, a whole area dedicated to Doraemon merchandise and even a cafe on level 5. Don’t miss the game booths too – they are really difficult but offer loads of fun!

Here’s a sneak peek…

Doraemon Secret Gadgets

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And guess what, I never knew Doraemon was originally yellow in color. I’d thought he was blue all along…

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The exhibition offers more than just photo opportunities with the many Doraemon figures on display. There’s also a gift shop and a lot of Doraemon merchandise waiting for you at the end.

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You’ll definitely enjoy visiting because there is something for everyone! There are photo opportunities at every corner, and kids and adults alike will be sure to find something they want to get a photo taken with…

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*My Fav Pic*

Doraemon Secret Gadgets

You can also approach the official photographers at these two booths to get a photo within these homes – RM 25 for 1 photo, RM 40 for 2 photos:

Doraemon Secret Gadgets

Doraemon Secret Gadgets 15

And for some Doraemon-themed food, head to the cafe:

Doraemon Secret Gadgets

Doraemon Secret Gadgets

Here’s what I purchased that day at the expo:

Doraemon Secret Gadgets

An eyemask and some postcards which totally made me smile! :D


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World Ventures: “Selling Tshirts”, Nothing Illegal

I was on holiday recently when someone sent me a link via Facebook regarding World Ventures in Malaysia. We had a good laugh at the article in which someone tries to cover his a** by saying they are not a travel company, don’t do anything illegal, and are only trying to sell tshirts.

Seriously?! You need to come up with a better story, mister.

-> Read the article on The Rakyat Post here.

Also, I’ve been receiving a number of comments on my first World Ventures blogpost here, from people sharing about their encounters with WV reps in Singapore (even one local female celebrity). Thankfully, I don’t get anymore requests to meet up from WV reps – I guess they have all read my blogposts, because now they are even telling people not to google about WV.

The latest comment on my first WV blogpost:

“just sharing my recent experience with a celebrity WVer. i’ll begin from how i got to know WV all the way to the end of a sharing session. not gonna jump to conclusions from the onset so you can be the judge.


a friend of mine shared with me about WV when we talked about travelling in one of our conversations over lunch. he didnt mention the company’s name or details, just the idea of an exclusive travelling club with good deals. i tried asking for more details but he would avoid answering by saying everything will be explained during a sharing session if im keen. he wasnt pushy though, so we scheduled an appointment for the sharing session.

the sharing session itself was held at a global coffee chain in orchard. i met with my friend, headed over to the location and this was when i was name-dropped that a local female celebrity (her name is mentioned somewhere above on this page) will be presenting to me. got to say this added credibility (or so i thought).

when i got there, she was flanked by 2 other guys who i later found out was part of her team of underlings in WV. so we got through the presentation done by her underling on a laptop (she was busy with someone else at this point) and then came the usual Q&A for them to overcome our objections. she joined back in at this juncture. with my friend on the WV team, i was on a 1 versus 4 situation at our table. i have to say this was one of the most unpleasant Q&A sessions i’ve ever experienced. she was loud and blunt, presumably to portray her status as the leader of the WV team, and was uncouth in her mannerisms throughout. she got downright rude when i mentioned that i needed time to think about it and to do my personal research, since joining them would be a significant time/money commitment. i suppose fearing that i would discover negative things on the web about WV, she started questioning me in very sarcastic ways about my ability to think for myself and needing to follow the things that random haters say on the internet (funny i had no idea these existed till she said it). what she failed to understand though – perhaps blinded by her quest to recruit more unsuspecting underlings or due to her shortcomings in intellectual reasoning – was that i was exercising my ability to think for myself at that very moment, by not blindly following what i was told and feeling the need to verify with more information from other sources. she then put forward with much passive aggression that she wants decisive people in her team, but again, failing to understand the meaning of decisiveness as there is a very thin line separating decisiveness and making uninformed decisions. she reiterated that they represent the truth about WV, which was my cue to end the session, by asserting that i will have to get back to them.

pleasantries were exchanged with her underlings while she sulked like a spoiled child and attempted to take a final jab at me with a no-eye-contact-dragged-out-monotonous ‘byeee…’. upon reflection, her attempts to embarrass me with rhetorical questions so that i would succumb to her pressuring tactics was primitive at best. not exactly the classiest person you will meet. surprising if you consider her local celebrity status (hopefully just that one bad apple).

my friend later told me she immediately spoke to him within their WV team that i was a very negative person and not to listen to my words. i appreciate him revealing to me private information that spoke volumes about the culture within WV, or at least the one under the this particular local female celebrity.”


At the end of the day, folks, you decide. Listen to me? I have nothing to gain from you joining or not joining WV. Or listen to the WV folks, who can sometimes go overboard with pressure tactics, and of course, want you to join their downlines.

After all, they are just selling tshirts. ;) #bestjokethisyear